bobby

The 1000cc midgets will still be the cheapest and the fastest race car for the buck on the race track. I figure one of these motors will start out at about $6000.00 and drop quickly to $4000.00 or so pretty quickly. All we do is mount them in the car switch them over to Methanol and go racing. Knowing the Japanese I bet they are bullet proof also providing you don't mess with that pop off valve. In fact I think that should be the only rule placed on them.

Honest Dad himself

Kawasaki is still making the zx10s in 2015, plus none of the mini sprint clubs have ever allowed supercharged engines. Although I don't think any of these ecotech/Montpelier groups say anything about it. It would be cool to get an H2R and play with the midgets

Ricky

http://www.midwestminisprints.com/1469_001.pdf

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_b7...dlE/edit?pli=1


We got in such a hurry to do away with BMW's and Dry sumps that we forgot to put in the induction thing. But we got a rule that nulls and voids all the other rules so what the heck. Think if we could get a oil pump company to sign on as a sponsor we could get the dry sump thing to be legal?

Rickey

I went back and read the ILSS rules also. Looks like there will have to be changing going on>>> although I wish they would just wait and see what happens.

Change is not a bad thing, and is the thing that has made our race cars what they are today.

By the way AMSA and the old MMSA rules both included natural aspiration. Pretty good for old backward looking "FARTS" don't you think. Like electronic injection back in the 90's Air Pumps are going to have to be dealt with and will do nothing but improve the performance and desirability of our race cars.

Honest Dad himself

Searching the web revelaed the street-going H2 version is expected to go for 20,000 Pounds Sterling, or $32429.00; where ya gonna pick one up for six grand? I doubt they'll build enough to fill the junkyards...

Jim

All we need to buy is what we call the car kit, engine and parts to make it run. What does mass production do to cost? Forced induction is coming. Who would have thought that the big three would be putting electronic injection on all of their cars and now even the little bitty cars are switching to Turbo and Superchargers. Go figure.

Honest Dad himself

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If you dont have $50,000 you aren't getting one so dont get to crazy on this news.

Looking on Ebay the new Gen ZX-10 and the BMW RR are still $3800 and there is only one each on there. Make them a kit your looking at $4500?? If you can find them.So looking at the new H2 motor if you can even find one in 3-4 years I would say $8-10K for a car kit.....

Bill while studying our rules you must have missed the most important one:

Spirit and Intent: Guidelines offered in this publication are subject to the term "Spirit and Intent" and apply to the technical aspects of lightning sprint racing as well as to the actions of drivers and crewmembers. In this book, “shall” is mandatory and “may” is permissive. It is expected that all participants will adhere to the “Spirit and Intent” of these rules. These are guidelines for fair and equitable competition. They are not the basis to "read between the lines" in order to circumvent the intent. Mid-America Lightning Sprints (hereinafter referred to as MALS) does not intend to become bogged down by internal litigation. If you are the type of person that is intent on finding loopholes, then it is imperative that you re-evaluate your association with MALS. The "Spirit and Intent" clause allows the Race Director to make timely decisions and resolve disputes.

Car count is up, pay is up,new racers are up, tracks that want lightning sprints are up...... Yep we were wrong you were right. What were we thinking.

Mark

With a rule like that one who needs a seven page rule book in front of it. It seems it all boils down to go to Mark or Phil to get approved if we like you it's OK to run. If Not????

What happened to "naturally aspirated" Guess you cover that in that last rule, right. What happened to Oh My God we can't allow those "Engler Injection Units" (remember all of your posts on your web site) it will destroy us, How about our cockpit adjustable shocks that have been in our race cars since they were introduced in the 90's, what makes them any different from a wing slider or a brake proportioning valve (your Opinion is what). Your rules are based on racing as you guys see it. Using an ad-hock committee guided by "The In Crowd" is just why many race groups around us in Indiana have come on to hard times. The racers eventually see through the smoke and mirrors.

MMSA is doing pretty good with car count something to do with the region I guess >Your car count doesn't look too good yet probably also the region. MMSA had a much better car count 3 years ago something to do with the economy I guess.

Mark, what I would call it is "Back Room ********" and rule by the elite who know how to treat their subjects to achieve a desired result.

The motor deal was only a wake up call, Suzuki, Yamaha and even Honda probably have these project in their planing stages. Just like Electronic injection was in the 90's, Air Pumps will be the Buzz word in the near future of automotive development, and pumps will not add to the cost of racing like the electronic injectors were supposed to do in the 90's, or the BMW's were suppose to do in the present.

Part of the fun in racing is taking on a challenge and then finding the answers. That is what improves the breed, and some people really enjoy that aspect.

Honest Dad himself

Seems to me the simple answer is to put a rule in the book, "No motors built after 20XX." Then when the new huffer motors start showing up on eBay in kit form for a reasonable price, change the year to let them into the game. Either that or simply open the motor rules up, and take the wings off the cars...

Bill