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2/20/12, 11:54 PM   #31
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Kody, can u verify whether or not the testing was done on an engine from last season and without any internal changes other than fueling? I just want to clear up some confusion on offseason rumors that have swirled concerning piston and cam changes that have some racers worried.

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2/21/12, 10:44 AM   #32
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Gregg, I think that was a special additive designed to increase concession sales.
I can still remember that popcorn smell from the midgets back in the 50's. Good old castor oil. Blendzall also makes that smell.

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2/21/12, 1:01 PM   #33
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I can still remember that popcorn smell from the midgets back in the 50's
If USAC had slightest thought that pleasant odors wafting from race cars would help fill
empty seats they might mandate one of the scented top end lubricant fuel additives.

There is an extensive list to choose from: Cinnamon, Lemon, Raspberry, Banana, Vanilla
Bubble Gum, Root Beer, Fruit Punch, Pina Colada, Watermelon, Cotton Candy, Apple
Blueberry, Tangerine, Cherry, Grape, Strawberry, Black Licorice and Chocolate

Vanilla and blueberry could sure boost Funnel Cake sales.

I apologize for drifting so far off topic. I just couldn't help myself.
 
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2/21/12, 1:48 PM   #34
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We fought the "tradition" battle back when we put roll cages on sprint cars and let women in the pits. Some people fight it every day when they see a winged car.
The greatest tradition of racing has been innovation, and changing for the future to make it better. Change is only a natural evolution of life.

Maybe we should go back to using gasoline instead, that way we can see the flames when the car is on fire. We tried that and decided to CHANGE because there was a better idea when we lost too many drivers in blazing infernos.

I care about two things -- will it be safe, and will there be good racing. If running ethanol makes that happen, do it. If running horse manure makes that happen, do it.
 
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2/21/12, 2:15 PM   #35
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Kody, can u verify whether or not the testing was done on an engine from last season and without any internal changes other than fueling? I just want to clear up some confusion on offseason rumors that have swirled concerning piston and cam changes that have some racers worried.

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Hey- sorry it took me this long to get back to you. But before I posted anything, I wanted to make sure to check with the car owner & engine builder (Darryl & Jeff), to make sure the information that I had was correct and approved by them to post.

Last year, we did an engine test on Brian Tyler's #21 car at Raceway Park with the Ignite fuel, using our standard race engine with the only updates for ethanol being nozzles and fuel system settings. We did not have access to a data acquisition system then, so we couldn't confidently post data-type results.

In the test that we just ran in Pensacola, we used one of our Silver Crown engines from last year. Folks from Ignite will tell you that the recommended compression ratio for their fuel is 14:1. Leading up to this test, a standard rebuild was done on this engine, and we used the same pistons from last season. After the rebuild, this engine did spend some time on an engine dyno (as most of them do), to tune some of the fuel settings before our test. This was done to help ensure that we were in the ballpark on fuel and could get accurate information while we ran the motor on the track.

-Kody
 
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2/21/12, 4:41 PM   #36
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Our silver crown tank is a 75 gallon size with a cut out underneath bringing it down to about 70. If the new minimum is 59 gallons then USAC did allow smaller tanks which reduce weight off the tail of the car giving them an advantage. The big money teams like Swanson's will buy the smaller tank and have already tested giving them more advantage.

On the positive side, our engine builder has built them before and said it is an easy/cheap change over. The free fuel will save a lot of money and we might be able to make a return to the series.
 
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2/21/12, 5:29 PM   #37
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Our silver crown tank is a 75 gallon size with a cut out underneath bringing it down to about 70. If the new minimum is 59 gallons then USAC did allow smaller tanks which reduce weight off the tail of the car giving them an advantage. The big money teams like Swanson's will buy the smaller tank and have already tested giving them more advantage.

On the positive side, our engine builder has built them before and said it is an easy/cheap change over. The free fuel will save a lot of money and we might be able to make a return to the series.

Hi ThrowbackRacingTeam,

I am happy to hear that you might be able to return to the series, and that you expect the savings from the free fuel you'll receive next season to help cover the cost of the change-over.

I have included the link to the 2012 USAC Silver Crown series rule book: http://www.usacracing.com/assets/fil...ixB_Silver.pdf In USAC Rule Books, they mark their recent/new rule changes in red, and leave their standing rules in black. (I have attached a picture of the USAC rule book regarding Tail Tank size above in Post #29). You can see that the rule regarding tank size is in black, and thus was not changed for 2012 and the Ethanol fuel.

As I type this, I am talking to my car owner, and can guarantee you that we will not be purchasing smaller tanks or bladders for this season, and that we will continue to run our 75 gal. cells.

In regards to testing, USAC and Ignite fuels announced at the meeting during IMIS that they are working together to try to put together a test date for Silver Crown teams at Raceway Park in April.

Thanks for your interest,

Kody
 
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2/22/12, 10:05 PM   #38
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I recon that we are getting in at the right time! Free ethanol fuel?? Really? Thats frickin awsome!!
 
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2/23/12, 9:58 AM   #39
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Hey Bomber,
David told me last night y'all are goin to pick up the car Friday... If y'all need any help at Indy or Duquoin let me know... You know I'm more than willing to lend y'all a hand...
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2/23/12, 11:46 AM   #40
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Hey Bomber,
David told me last night y'all are goin to pick up the car Friday... If y'all need any help at Indy or Duquoin let me know... You know I'm more than willing to lend y'all a hand...
Come on down and join the party soldier! This gig should be a blast!
100 laps on 3 mile tracks. 100 laps on 2 half miles............YEA BUDDY!!!
 
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