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POWRi Division II Midget Specifications Released
Millstadt, IL –After the inaugural POWRi Division II midget race held on October 9th at Jacksonville Speedway, in addition to meeting with drivers and teams, POWRi officials have developed the following specification package design for the 2016 season. These specifications will be formatted into a complete rules package similar to the POWRi Lucas Oil National Midget Series and POWRi Speedway Motors 600cc Outlaw Micro Series. At this time, the POWRi Division II Midget Series 2016 schedule is being finalized and will be released in addition to the National Midget, West Midget, and Micro schedules in January 2016. The 2016 specifications for all POWRi Division II Midget Series are released on POWRi.com.
The link is: http://www.powri.com/newsdetail.asp?NewsID=21455

[DaGuy]

There is a typo chain drive weight is 950lbs

[jjones752]

One of the "legal" engines is the Subaru FB 25B, but the max displacement is listed as 2.4 liters and further down it states "a maximum of four (4) cylinders in line".
The Subaru is a flat 4, and 2.5 liters...

[DAD]

jim

You left out opposed cylinders or Boxer motor. One bad dude on the street when pumped with a little extra air.

Honest Dad himself

[jjones752]

Flat, opposed, boxer all mean the same thing. The point is there's an engine in the list that doesn't meet the maximum displacement limit (2.4) or the approved configuration (inline 4).
Also noticed VVT is being allowed (on automotive engines); did Wayne get overruled?

[Sling'n DIRT]

Originally Posted by jjones752 One of the "legal" engines is the Subaru FB 25B, but the max displacement is listed as 2.4 liters and further down it states "a maximum of four (4) cylinders in line". The Subaru is a flat 4, and 2.5 liters...

RULE: Maximum displacement for 2.4L Engines: 2.4387 cc/Liters (148.82 CID)

Allowed...Subaru 2.4L (FB 25B) Displacement: 2.498cc (152.89 CID) "SUBARU" list as 2.5L

ALLOWED: The LE5 (only) 2.4L 2.384cc (145.89 CID)
Not ALLOWED:Eco-tec 2.5L 2.457cc (149 CID)


ALLOWED: Ford 2.3L Duratec 2.261cc (137.91 CID)
Not ALLOWED Ford 2.5L Duratec 2.488cc (152.14 CID) why not?

[DAD]

Jim

Maybe they didn't know 25 meant 2500cc's. They also stipulate no V type engines and that inline 4 cylinder engines were allowed only. Probably goes back to Illinois rules somewhere.

A simple more simple statement saying that bore and stroke must remain as the particular engine was manufactured with .040 over bore allowed for wear. Instead of listing of engine on top of engine. Going to take a little time and consideration to get it all down. "KISS" trying to close all the loop holes usually mean that you simply leave one or two really big obvious ones in there. Stock motors change dimensions yearly. The rules need to address this. There is no real need to set everything in stone because the manufactures do this for you anyhow. Lets consider the life time of a motor to be 3 or 4 years. In that time new and better motors come to the market place. Why keep the old motor if you can up date to the newest trick motors even if they are smaller and maybe force fed. Times change and it should always be cheaper to buy new low mileage motors instead of dropping an arm and leg into a worn out old school motor.

Racers have simply not thought this way in the past. They generally had so much money in that old motor that they raced they would simply just welded in a patch put in a new sleeve and piston set and rod set grind the crank and go back racing. Now days junk yard motors have come such a long way in performance that this approach is not thinking logically. How would a bone stock Pinto motor compare to a new 4 valve motor as far as being ready to race right out of the car. But then if people were logical they probably would not be racing in the first place.

Honest Dad himself

[DAD]

Originally Posted by Sling'n DIRT RULE: Maximum displacement for 2.4L Engines: 2.4387 cc/Liters (148.82 CID) Allowed...Subaru 2.4L (FB 25B) Displacement: 2.498cc (152.89 CID) "SUBARU" list as 2.5L ALLOWED: The LE5 (only) 2.4L 2.384cc (145.89 CID) Not ALLOWED:Eco-tec 2.5L 2.457cc (149 CID) ALLOWED: Ford 2.3L Duratec 2.261cc (137.91 CID) Not ALLOWED Ford 2.5L Duratec 2.488cc (152.14 CID) why not?

Sling

Right now they are trying too hard to be too specific with the displacement rules. That sometimes causes discrepancies when the rules are interrupted. They need to hire a lawyer-engineer to compose the rule book to dot all the "I's" and cross all the "T's" if it is intended to be this specific. Or just slack of a little bit and be a little more general in scope.

Honest Dad himself

[zeromotorsports]

Waiting on a schedule

[red70racer]

Originally Posted by zeromotorsports Waiting on a schedule

POWRi normally releases their schedule at the Chili Bowl, I don't ever remember seeing one this early
Patience Johnny