The Burg, Old vs. New

Eatin Dirt · 10/2/08, 1:38 PM

With the season almost over I was wondering what everyones thoughts were on the New Burg vs The Old. Change is sometimes hard to take but I must admit the New Burg is really pretty cool. I loved the Old place and had been going there since about 1964-65, however change comes to all things and The Burg was no exception. I was sad to see the old one go but am very impressed with what we have now. See everyone Sat. Night, looking forward to some great racing. Bob Bressert :thumb

Charles Nungester · 10/2/08, 2:50 PM

It wouldn't be me if i didn't comment on The Burg.

Dad started taking me there in the early seventies. I was five or six playing with hotwheels half the time but i distinctly remember the Wilkerson-Gaines-Millburn-Krebs-Beavers and many others battling at that time they qualified two laps with the second car pushing off after the first had completed their first lap.

They started the fast cars at the rear and if someone ran a second faster in the feature than they quailified they were disqualified. This kept people from purposfully qualifying bad for a better starting possition. This told to me by since deceased IMZIE who as a track official-scorer-flagman in those days.

The old track was always exciting like that. Watching the greats work their way to a win instead of cruising. Certainly we all heard of Gaines cruises but usually they came after he past ten or twelve cars.

The old track could at times put on one hell of a show Kelly kinser running inside and Pup and others running the rim often swapping the lead several times a lap.

I won't knock that. I will say that when the track was slick it was one of the most boring places to watch sprint cars run that Id ever seen. I often mentioned go karts could run it faster like that and that woudln't be a lie. Hell Shortbus could pleddal his bike faster. I mean this in no disrespect to the drivers. No matter what they worked just as hard and were in every bit as much danger racing like that. I just found it extremely boring.

The new Burg? Im gonna say the Jury's still out. While I personally love the facility (One of the best in the nation IMHO) I've seen everything from stellar three wide battles for mulitple laps to follow the leader and absolutely no passing.

What Im saying is that so far I believe its sometimes the best racing I've ever seen and sometimes not so great. The Dickie last to first consi at the Gaines classic was equivalent to Kinser Knoxville last to first runs Oh BTW thats in one lap!

The last Race I seen there two weeks ago saw Peterman run down a hooked up Gullick and pass him running right on the wall. Gullick then adjusted his lines and then diamonded 1/2 and got the lead back and peterman ran him down again but his loose car got in the way.

I think the best is yet to come. Even the vets have to learn new lines ect to make it work for them. What I see on this new track though is those willing to put it on the edge will go to the front if they can sustain it.

Example. Night one ISW. AWESOME! Night Two??.................. Good but not much passing action.

As for car counts, How many tracks are going to pile on saturday nights? I also think some rules might be a issue in teams traveling here but I'll leave that between the teams and promotor. (Tire rule which I was against and still am when theres no competition allowed) Leaving track policy.

Its a awesome facility and awesome racing IMHO. The thing that surprised me the most this year that even the night I went when the track got blacker than asphault it was still twice as fast and three wide in the feature.

Chuck, rambling again

Mud Packer · 10/2/08, 2:53 PM

The renovation in my mind raised the bar on the type of facility that it is. It went from a local weekly race track to more of a regional type facility that is capable of running a wider variety of shows. I think you will see in the next few years that it will host different events with more bigger shows and may even become a special events track only. Dave is truly a promoter and not just a race organizer, so I am sure he will not stand still and keep everything status quo.

I also liked the old Burg and thought the racing there was very good. The track prep has a lot to do with how people perceive how the racing has gone. I have seen everything from dry slick to a cowboy track and Lawrenceburg seems to have been all of them at one time or the other. I hope that in the future Dave and the crew will be able to have a consistent surface that renders a lot of side by side racing through out the pack. All of this is of course just my opinion and I know very little.:doh::O: I have never met Dave and don't pretend to know what his plans are for the new Burg.

Dyno Don · 10/2/08, 3:32 PM

I really like the new facilities. Great restrooms, concessions and plenty of seating.

That being said, I really miss the racy 1/4 mile. In my mind the 1/4 put on some awesome racing and I miss that. With the bigger track the clean up after an accident takes for ever and track prep is spotty. With the old track, it was in great shape 90% of the time.

But given the choice of using an urinal Where everything you deposited dripped on the floor, I'll take the new place hands down.

I still miss the1/4 mile track.

1BIGracefan · 10/2/08, 3:49 PM

Things change I hate change. I loved the old Burg. The new Burg is growing on me every time I go. I am hoping one day someone learns to use the fench to make use loose our breath.

Rudi and company bust there humps for all of us so that we have this first class facility to attend so lets just be glad we have it and it didnt close like so many others have around the country.

Next year all the driver/crew combos will have it figured out and we will be amazed at what they do at the "new Burg". then we will really know what we have I think its a diamond in the rough right now so watch out for '09 and beyond folks the BURG will be bada$$!!!!!

Kyle

zeroracer · 10/2/08, 4:02 PM

I miss the burg from 05 and 06

10/2/08, 2:50 PM	#2 Re: The Burg, Old vs. New
Charles Nungester Senior Member Race Count This Year: 6 Race Count Last Year: 14 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22,066	It wouldn't be me if i didn't comment on The Burg. Dad started taking me there in the early seventies. I was five or six playing with hotwheels half the time but i distinctly remember the Wilkerson-Gaines-Millburn-Krebs-Beavers and many others battling at that time they qualified two laps with the second car pushing off after the first had completed their first lap. They started the fast cars at the rear and if someone ran a second faster in the feature than they quailified they were disqualified. This kept people from purposfully qualifying bad for a better starting possition. This told to me by since deceased IMZIE who as a track official-scorer-flagman in those days. The old track was always exciting like that. Watching the greats work their way to a win instead of cruising. Certainly we all heard of Gaines cruises but usually they came after he past ten or twelve cars. The old track could at times put on one hell of a show Kelly kinser running inside and Pup and others running the rim often swapping the lead several times a lap. I won't knock that. I will say that when the track was slick it was one of the most boring places to watch sprint cars run that Id ever seen. I often mentioned go karts could run it faster like that and that woudln't be a lie. Hell Shortbus could pleddal his bike faster. I mean this in no disrespect to the drivers. No matter what they worked just as hard and were in every bit as much danger racing like that. I just found it extremely boring. The new Burg? Im gonna say the Jury's still out. While I personally love the facility (One of the best in the nation IMHO) I've seen everything from stellar three wide battles for mulitple laps to follow the leader and absolutely no passing. What Im saying is that so far I believe its sometimes the best racing I've ever seen and sometimes not so great. The Dickie last to first consi at the Gaines classic was equivalent to Kinser Knoxville last to first runs Oh BTW thats in one lap! The last Race I seen there two weeks ago saw Peterman run down a hooked up Gullick and pass him running right on the wall. Gullick then adjusted his lines and then diamonded 1/2 and got the lead back and peterman ran him down again but his loose car got in the way. I think the best is yet to come. Even the vets have to learn new lines ect to make it work for them. What I see on this new track though is those willing to put it on the edge will go to the front if they can sustain it. Example. Night one ISW. AWESOME! Night Two??.................. Good but not much passing action. As for car counts, How many tracks are going to pile on saturday nights? I also think some rules might be a issue in teams traveling here but I'll leave that between the teams and promotor. (Tire rule which I was against and still am when theres no competition allowed) Leaving track policy. Its a awesome facility and awesome racing IMHO. The thing that surprised me the most this year that even the night I went when the track got blacker than asphault it was still twice as fast and three wide in the feature. Chuck, rambling again __________________ Charles Nungester

10/2/08, 2:53 PM	#3 Re: The Burg, Old vs. New
Mud Packer Senior Member Race Count Last Year: 59 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,094	The renovation in my mind raised the bar on the type of facility that it is. It went from a local weekly race track to more of a regional type facility that is capable of running a wider variety of shows. I think you will see in the next few years that it will host different events with more bigger shows and may even become a special events track only. Dave is truly a promoter and not just a race organizer, so I am sure he will not stand still and keep everything status quo. I also liked the old Burg and thought the racing there was very good. The track prep has a lot to do with how people perceive how the racing has gone. I have seen everything from dry slick to a cowboy track and Lawrenceburg seems to have been all of them at one time or the other. I hope that in the future Dave and the crew will be able to have a consistent surface that renders a lot of side by side racing through out the pack. All of this is of course just my opinion and I know very little.:doh::O: I have never met Dave and don't pretend to know what his plans are for the new Burg. __________________ Mike Be nice to people on the way up. You might need them on the way down. Jimmy Durante

10/2/08, 1:38 PM	#1 The Burg, Old vs. New
Eatin Dirt Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,919	With the season almost over I was wondering what everyones thoughts were on the New Burg vs The Old. Change is sometimes hard to take but I must admit the New Burg is really pretty cool. I loved the Old place and had been going there since about 1964-65, however change comes to all things and The Burg was no exception. I was sad to see the old one go but am very impressed with what we have now. See everyone Sat. Night, looking forward to some great racing. Bob Bressert :thumb

10/2/08, 3:32 PM	#4 Re: The Burg, Old vs. New
Dyno Don Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 579	I really like the new facilities. Great restrooms, concessions and plenty of seating. That being said, I really miss the racy 1/4 mile. In my mind the 1/4 put on some awesome racing and I miss that. With the bigger track the clean up after an accident takes for ever and track prep is spotty. With the old track, it was in great shape 90% of the time. But given the choice of using an urinal Where everything you deposited dripped on the floor, I'll take the new place hands down. I still miss the1/4 mile track.

10/2/08, 3:49 PM	#5 Re: The Burg, Old vs. New
1BIGracefan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,100	Things change I hate change. I loved the old Burg. The new Burg is growing on me every time I go. I am hoping one day someone learns to use the fench to make use loose our breath. Rudi and company bust there humps for all of us so that we have this first class facility to attend so lets just be glad we have it and it didnt close like so many others have around the country. Next year all the driver/crew combos will have it figured out and we will be amazed at what they do at the "new Burg". then we will really know what we have I think its a diamond in the rough right now so watch out for '09 and beyond folks the BURG will be bada$$!!!!! Kyle

10/2/08, 4:02 PM	#6 Re: The Burg, Old vs. New
zeroracer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 251	I miss the burg from 05 and 06