Mark & Karl are retired. Karl tinkers on his old cars...I believe he has a Caddy. Mark hung up his helmet, and the last I heard he was workin at the Kinser sawmill.I think Mark was missin seein his kids grow up with dad not home much. Can't blame him for wantin to be a better dad.

I do miss talkin with them both at the track. They are real nice guys & nobody could wrench a car like Karl. He made Steve who he is today. Steve is a hellva wing driver but Karl gave him the edge back in the day. JMO