I don't know what the numbers were, but it seems like I heard 70k to start Hotlanta, it probably varies quite a lot. I don't see how those poor guys in the truck series do it, some venues don't pay as well as Sprints do, I've heard numbers of less than2k. If the cup teams average 50k, to start, and I wouldn't count on that, maybe 2.5, but that wouldn't pay the tire bill for some teams, but that is something to ponder, I got a lot of friends in that camp, and most of them, from our early days of Karting, some even 2nd generation, Scott Speed for one, all the Green brothers, Mikey, and Darrell Waltrip, and of course, Tony, I've known him since he was about 6, we ran the same dirt track for years, and some from my days in TQ's. Used to do a little machine work for Dave Marcus, when he was doing R&D for Dale, developing the restrictor stuff, had a young man that helped me in the shop, that went on to be a crew chief, for several teams, and still subs once in a while. Bob