Fishburg, I thought it probably was, Jerry, Pete's son, carried on the tradition, now his son, JL is carrying it on, also, and he has a son, Pete also, who will carry it on from him, he's 3 now, I think, and JL already has him a go-kart. Jerry told me, they had the number 14, before AJ did. Looking at that list, returns old memories, and those that are gone, some didn't go, in the most choice means, as I remember, Bobby Black, died on I65, in a fiery car crash, burned up in it. Bob