OK gotcha, I was thinking that his Eldora flip was in '64 and not '66. My uncle was just telling me the story of that flip the other day. He and his buddy were right there at the turn three gate, just yards from where JR landed. They ran over to the car and Rutherford was conscious but moaning. My uncle goes, "Just sit still, you're going to be ok." His buddy goes, "WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE'S GONNA BE OK?? LOOK AT HIS F&$@ING ARMS!!!!!"