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Originally Posted by Ray3
I don't understand how people can't grasp how racing works. The Ford Focus series was a much better concept than the D2 series. You received a completely brand new never been run engine for $7850 when it first started in the Midwest. Everyone had to run the exact same engine. Talk about coming down to set-up and driver. In the end, it failed. Got down to basically less than 10 cars at every event.
The ASCSII Midget series was the next Ford Focus series. Engines were even built by the same exact guy that did the Focus engines. They required an Ecotec engine and went so far as to run dirt only (people blamed pavement and travel for the downfall of the Focus series). Everyone had the same engine, it came down to setup and driver and it failed.
There is no such thing as a $300 junk yard engine. You might get a core for $300 but how good is it? Not to mention good cores are actually much more than $300 and cost more like $700-$1500 based on mileage. Then at the end of the day, you have an engine someone wouldn't even run in their street car let alone in a race car. Then ask yourself, "what all do I have to do to it or pay someone to do to it to make it viable for racing?" Quite a bit actually. Since D2 is not a spec sealed engine series you can totally rebuild them if you want (couldn't do that in the Focus or ASCSII series). When you take a junk yard engine and totally rebuild it even using STOCK parts you can still spend right around $15,000 on it! Labor and parts are not cheap. MWR builds stock component Ecotecs and his top of the line D2 engine is right at $15,000. Here is a link to prove it. http://www.mwrtechnology.com/product...stage-4-motor/.
Now think about this. You spent $15k and you could have had a Badger legal engine that puts out over 325hp and makes 240 ft lbs of torque. Raced Badger for $1,000 to win, or POWRI National and race for $2000 to win and been very competitive. This is in lieu of racing D2 where it pays $300 to win and maybe if you're lucky $50 to start! Here is a video of a Badger engine going up against the status quo Midget engines and finishing second https://youtu.be/s1nx1BvpWA4
Now, here is a link to a brand new Badger legal Honda for under $15,000. (ignore the hp figures cause in my opinion they are exaggerated) https://kmodperformance.myshopify.co...nt=47562707981
What makes more sense? If you feel like its D2 then have at it. I'll stay with Badger where the pay is good, the officiating is done by the series itself, the T&S is done by the series itself, the tech is done by the series itself, the series is operated by an elected board of directors, every dime the series makes goes back into it not into someones pockets, etc etc etc. Oh and the engines are basically as fast as current engines that cost $36,000 to $50,000 so you have taken nothing away from the traditional speed that Midget fans are used to.
I have looked at this time and time again. I raced the Focus Series, Badger pre and post DOHC engines, POWRI National, USAC National, TQs, go-kart etc. The thing that makes the most sense is what Badger is doing now. It is the right balance of professionalism, cost, pay out, ability to tech engines, etc etc etc. |
Hold onto your horses just a bit....let's speak the TRUTH... here is a link to that same engine you are calling $15,000.00 MWR ...
http://www.mwrtechnology.com/product...ec-long-block/.... complete long block for under 3 grand.
Now just like all these Badger/MWR Ecotec/KMOD Honda that
BOLT ON brand new accessories, this is what drives drives the essential cost up when you start out new, not the engine itself, unless you start adding a lot of aftermarket internals and swapping components. as they do in another 2.4 style of engine
Injection with filter (Kinsler) $3600
Header (Shoenfeld) $490
Oil pan $425
Fuel Pump $500
MSD/Electromotive ignition $1400
Dry Sump oil pump (Barnes) $2100
Dry Sump Tank $450
Drive gears and belts $300
That in itself is almost $8K....Not what D-2 is about...then came along "ANOTHER" series that wanted to spend more $$$$ on their "STOCK BLOCK" engines and BAM there ya go....
I just broke an engine (2.4 ecotec) at this years GDN 3 weeks ago...going back with the same deal cause it was a self induced issue and it will be back race ready for under 2 grand...
Oh and by the way there are true D-2 series that pay better then Badger in the form of $1200 to win $225 to start and has a couple of $1500/$300 and 1 race that paid $5000 to win and $300 for 26th starting spot...total STOCK type engines
so Make sure you put out the whole story and not just 1/2 of to trying to make 1 series look way better than the other
"I'll stay with Badger where the pay is good, the officiating is done by the series itself, the T&S is done by the series itself, the tech is done by the series itself, the series is operated by an elected board of directors, every dime the series makes goes back into it not into someones pockets, etc etc etc."
I promise you I have not made 1 penny from my D-2 series and the pay is DAMN good the officiating is done by the series...tech is before and after every race..by the series...along with the T&S...by the series....
Thanks to all that support midget racing as a whole...what ever you race whether it's D-2...Badger/PowrI or National midgets just please support the tracks that allow and give us a place to race
In closing I will say this, YOU do not need to spend $12,000 to $15,000 for an engine to win in D-2 ...The last 2 Gator "DIRT" Nationals was won by a racers that had less the $10 grand in their cars...2017-$5000 to win...won by someone that had 5K total in his lightning car. 2018-$2500 to win.... won by a driver that had an 8 year old (sealed) RRE ecotec with a car that had been through hell. moral of the story...quit worrying about others engines ....comply to the said rules and work on your set-up and driving skills....that will make even the ugliest turd go fast
