Yes Charles it was years ago. IM just posting that, because we are at a race track.. It is very, very hard to tell anything when it comes to being at a race track. I remember 1 time racing at LPS was running smoothly. Then, they had an injury in pits. The ambulance had to go into the pits'. Then before you knew it that same ambulance had to leave the track because of an accident of some kind.. We sat there for an hour waiting. It was a reference for him. You just never know when you are at a race track.