Rhody, I am also a fan of both but if you want goose bumps from non wing, here's what to do. Go to the Terre Haute action track, walk under the track into the infield. Walk down to the entrance of turn three. Watch them come off 2, haul arse down the back straight and give it that big pitch into the corner. If that doesn't give you goosebumps check your pulse, you may be dead. I have seen it for decades and still amazed by it to this day!