My whole point was a guy knows weather are not he is going to clear the car he is slideing. Back when I raced if you knew you were not going to clear you lifted and fell back behind the guy and tried again couple laps later I remember seeing the cigar fall from Bob Kinsers mouth ( ouch) and getting a couple of pretty heated talks from Butch( me standing and just listening) Now days it seems the slider keeps going and either he clears cuz guy brakes or we have a yellow or red cuz he didn't I guess I don't want to see guys getting hurt and torn up cars from bad slide jobs