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DAD · 2/21/15, 9:06 PM

Keith

It's all about ******** and glad handing I'm sorry to say. Lets see you said Indy car was a success.

These guys get their rides with pure money. I go back to the 50's at Indy. Back then they might have 60+ cars trying to get in the race and we are not talking about back up cars that would be 60+ individual teams. Now they they have a hard time coming up with 33 cars for the race. We had Offy's, Novi's, Fords, Chevys, Buick's Maserati's and Studebaker's and even at one time A Cummins Diesel, and a couple of turbine's. It was very successful back then thank God, they are living on their past. Now Legends those little cars are related to the 600 roadster and Bandilaros sold by old Humpey still I guess. Compare those legends with the DWARF CARS, There is no comparison. Those Dwarfs and Mod lites are everywhere. Now Go Kart they might have a spec motor the hot set up now is the $100.00 Harbor Freight Chinese Honda Knock off. Then the racer goes to one of a 1000 engine builders and drop another grand or so in this little jewel so they will be faster than their buddies.

Focus Motors they were never meant to be in a race car. The head is not well suited to produce good Volumetric efficiency numbers. Wayne down in Florida allows porting on them and they sure need it and it does help a little, but even in this state of race tune it doesn't have much for the your little gm motors. I think perhaps the little gm motor might respond to porting and valves but the port angles are still not to good to really produce a lot of power.

The 1000cc Midgets aka Mini Lighting Sprint have been invited to race with the spec cars. Ninty Nine percent of these cars also race a spec or stock type motor. The only difference is our motors were not designed to haul groceries. They were designed to go to the race track on Sunday afternoon and our manufactures have spent a lot of time and money getting these things to a very very high state of tune. Two Hundred+ Horsepower from 1000cc motors isn't to hard to produce . If your little gm motors could produce numbers like that you would have a four hundred and twenty five Horsepower+ racing motor.

My observation is we already have more races scheduled and many times at some very top notch race tracks. We have a lot of dates that would be open for the USAC racers, why do we need to worry about co sanctioning races with them, why not open up our class to these other racers and lets compete with one another. We tried it a Du Quoin and it seemed to work great. If I or many other racers were required to race spec I would not race.....period.... the fun in racing to me is the hunt for more performance. If you want to race spec find a good Rental Go Kart track. I love racing a Montpelier but I also see the demise of Sportsman Racers their if we aren't careful.

Honest Dad himself

2/21/15, 9:06 PM	#35 Re: USAC HPD Series
DAD Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,957	Keith It's all about ******** and glad handing I'm sorry to say. Lets see you said Indy car was a success. These guys get their rides with pure money. I go back to the 50's at Indy. Back then they might have 60+ cars trying to get in the race and we are not talking about back up cars that would be 60+ individual teams. Now they they have a hard time coming up with 33 cars for the race. We had Offy's, Novi's, Fords, Chevys, Buick's Maserati's and Studebaker's and even at one time A Cummins Diesel, and a couple of turbine's. It was very successful back then thank God, they are living on their past. Now Legends those little cars are related to the 600 roadster and Bandilaros sold by old Humpey still I guess. Compare those legends with the DWARF CARS, There is no comparison. Those Dwarfs and Mod lites are everywhere. Now Go Kart they might have a spec motor the hot set up now is the $100.00 Harbor Freight Chinese Honda Knock off. Then the racer goes to one of a 1000 engine builders and drop another grand or so in this little jewel so they will be faster than their buddies. Focus Motors they were never meant to be in a race car. The head is not well suited to produce good Volumetric efficiency numbers. Wayne down in Florida allows porting on them and they sure need it and it does help a little, but even in this state of race tune it doesn't have much for the your little gm motors. I think perhaps the little gm motor might respond to porting and valves but the port angles are still not to good to really produce a lot of power. The 1000cc Midgets aka Mini Lighting Sprint have been invited to race with the spec cars. Ninty Nine percent of these cars also race a spec or stock type motor. The only difference is our motors were not designed to haul groceries. They were designed to go to the race track on Sunday afternoon and our manufactures have spent a lot of time and money getting these things to a very very high state of tune. Two Hundred+ Horsepower from 1000cc motors isn't to hard to produce . If your little gm motors could produce numbers like that you would have a four hundred and twenty five Horsepower+ racing motor. My observation is we already have more races scheduled and many times at some very top notch race tracks. We have a lot of dates that would be open for the USAC racers, why do we need to worry about co sanctioning races with them, why not open up our class to these other racers and lets compete with one another. We tried it a Du Quoin and it seemed to work great. If I or many other racers were required to race spec I would not race.....period.... the fun in racing to me is the hunt for more performance. If you want to race spec find a good Rental Go Kart track. I love racing a Montpelier but I also see the demise of Sportsman Racers their if we aren't careful. Honest Dad himself _________________________________________________ Last edited by DAD; 2/22/15 at 1:12 PM.