Dry sump put them over the top among other things. Its why I chose the ECOtec over the Honda - the Chevy runs the pump off the front of the engine so you have the ability to just make a pan for it and run the stock pump (for a focus-level motor). This saves a ton of money, and was a big reason why the Focus was so cheap. And no, at this level you don't gain ANYTHING by dry sumping. Especially when you look at how these engines are lubricated, the crank is already out of the oil. All of this was explained to them, but they get real hard of hearing when a big check gets written. FYI guys are building 'focus - level' ECOtecs for only a few thousand bucks all the time, right now. They run for years, make nice power and require zero upkeep. But 'no check - no play'