Darnall, I'm sure you have already surmised, the 850lbs wasn't just a number out of a hat, it was arrived at, after weighing almost all the cars, and almost all the drivers, and those of us that actually build cars, know within a few pounds, what they should weigh, knowing the regulations on tube sizes and etc, and the weight of most of the components, so a car that should weigh in the neighborhood of 675-700, give or take a little, and a "normal" size driver, shouldn't have to add but a few pounds of ballast, now we only have maybe 6 or 8 that will have to add any weight, but 85% will still be over weight, some as much as 100lbs, but unlike go-karts, that have a "class" for almost every weight kart and driver, this is where we stand, as do a lot of other racing entities, but like you say, some parity has to be arrived at, and a lot of us feel like the number that it was supposed to be, meets that requirment, yes, if your under, you really feel penalized, but if your way over, you man up, and take your "penalty". Just sayin! Bob!