It doesn't count if it's with a wing in my book. The fact that he's starting out with a wing to get experience makes that seem more like the minor leagues. Many sprint car drivers such as Jeff Gordon ran with a wing first to get experience before moving "up" to non-wing. Just look at which drivers get hired in NASCAR and you'll see it's almost exclusively Non-Wing drivers. Good luck to him and wish there were more Indy drivers like him.