Originally Posted by apexonephoto:
AVSS is always faster then ISMA/MSA at Toledo.
Obviously this is just qualifying and not actual racing, not all things being equal at Toledo Speedway:
AVSS
Derek Snyder 12.656 142.225
MSA (super's)
Charlie Schultz 12.999 138.472
Outlaw Super Late Model
Derrick Griffin 14.809
USAC Sprints
Kody Swanson 14.668
USAC Midgets
Tracy Hines 15.081
CRA Super Series
John VanDoorn 15.437 116.603
ASA North Late Model
Eric Jones 15:834
ARCA
Chris Buescher 15.948 112.867
I'm the guy who hates the phrase "so-and-so won qualifying"
We went down to the pits a couple of years ago after the races at Sandusky. Russ Wood happened to win that night and he was very gracious to spend time talking to us. One of the things that I asked about was the difference the night before at Toledo and why the AVSS were faster. Russ said that they run a completely different tire compound and that the "gumball tires" (his words not mine) had far greater grip than the ISMA tires had.
As a comparison, I looked at the 2010 rules for both AVSS & ISMA. For you technical people here is the specs.
AVSS
Minimum weight 1600 pounds with driver
Right rear tire- Hoosier 20/48-53
ISMA
Minimum weight 1850 pounds without driver or 2050 pounds with driver
Right rear tire-Hoosier 17/28-15
I know that the guys from ISMA & MSA feel that they have the fastest cars. Toledo is one of the few places that they actually compete straight up with each other. I also don't think that the supers qualify most shows, but I could be wrong on that point.
I am interested in some comments on this. Fire away.