I wouldnt mind doing some non-wing again, we went to Chandler last year with the MMSA it was alot of fun, the car count was not great but a long drive could have been a big part of that. I doubt you ever see them at salem we tried that there once in 600's and it ended up in a pretty bad crash for a guy who ended up in the hospital, I think it kinda spooked Mason. L-burg is too big as slide22 stated, but it will eat motors wing or nonwing, tracks that size never let the car breath, we may see some of that at brownstown. Anyways if Bill or Jerry decide to put something together let me know!!!