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Originally Posted by richie:
Tracks/promoters pay the purses. Not the sanctioning body.

That is not true. Tracks pay a fee to the sanctioning bodies who then write a check to the participants out of that fee. So if sanctioning bodies have money beyond that fee they can add it to the checks.

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Originally Posted by Ray3:
That is not true. Tracks pay a fee to the sanctioning bodies who then write a check to the participants out of that fee. So if sanctioning bodies have money beyond that fee they can add it to the checks.

Considering Richie WORKS for the sanctioning body I think I'll take his word over yours.

Ray?Richie

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Originally Posted by richie:
Tracks/promoters pay the purses. Not the sanctioning body.

True A few grand is given to the sanctioning body to hold the race (Varies widely between sanctions) Unless the track is leased by the sanction or promotions group to hold a event.

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Originally Posted by racefan20:
Considering Richie WORKS for the sanctioning body I think I'll take his word over yours.

Yeah well Richie doesn't work on the business end of the sanctioning body. Ask the teams who signs the checks they receive. The track or the sanctioning body? On top of that the sanctioning body determines the minimum purse, not the tracks.

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Originally Posted by Ray3:
Yeah well Richie doesn't work on the business end of the sanctioning body. Ask the teams who signs the checks they receive. The track or the sanctioning body? On top of that the sanctioning body determines the minimum purse, not the tracks.

Yes, but tracks/promoters determine the size of the purse. USAC sets a minimum in order for an event to be put on their schedule, but there's nothing holding the promoter back from sending USAC a bigger check, as Lawrenceburg did yesterday, in order that the purse may be higher. The tracks/promoters pay the purses, period. Who distributes the funds is irrelevant.

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Believe it or not, USAC is recognized worldwide as a sanctioning body for legitimate international competitions. And along with that comes complying with internationally accepted codes and bylaws. There is a standard way of running a motorsports sanctioning entity as set out by the FIA via ACCUS (look it up), and this includes the fact that the promoters/tracks pay the purses and, in the end, the sanctioning bodies distribute the funds. IndyCar does it this way, NASCAR does it this way, and so do the NHRA, IMSA, the SCCA, and our beloved USAC.

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Originally Posted by chrismattlin:
Believe it or not, USAC is recognized worldwide as a sanctioning body for legitimate international competitions. And along with that comes complying with internationally accepted codes and bylaws. There is a standard way of running a motorsports sanctioning entity as set out by the FIA via ACCUS (look it up), and this includes the fact that the promoters/tracks pay the purses and, in the end, the sanctioning bodies distribute the funds. IndyCar does it this way, NASCAR does it this way, and so do the NHRA, IMSA, the SCCA, and our beloved USAC.

And if USAC wanted to add to the purse from funds they receive from their contract with Flo Racing nothing is stopping them from doing that. They are not beholden to only the money received from the promoters. That is the point.

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I got some hard numbers. Before Flo I went to 56 races in 2018 and 69 races in 2019, an average of 62 races per year. I got Flo in 2020 and went to 28 races, 2021 40 races, and 2022 28 races; 96 races in 3 years, or an average of 32 per year. I went from 62 per year to 32 per year, so my attendance decreased by 30 races or about half. I spend about $30 each time I go to the track, so tracks are losing $900 per year on just me. It ain't just gas, if there is a chance of rain and it's far away, I don't go any more. I basically don't go unless the weather is good enough to ride my motorcycle and save on gas too.

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Originally Posted by Adolph:
I got some hard numbers. Before Flo I went to 56 races in 2018 and 69 races in 2019, an average of 62 races per year. I got Flo in 2020 and went to 28 races, 2021 40 races, and 2022 28 races; 96 races in 3 years, or an average of 32 per year. I went from 62 per year to 32 per year, so my attendance decreased by 30 races or about half. I spend about $30 each time I go to the track, so tracks are losing $900 per year on just me. It ain't just gas, if there is a chance of rain and it's far away, I don't go any more. I basically don't go unless the weather is good enough to ride my motorcycle and save on gas too.

I used to go to between 80 and 100 races per year. This year I have been to 4. Last year just 1. And I traveled beyond Indiana quite often. I doubt anyone stepped up to fill in my now missing attendance.

I dont have Flo though,nor any of the others. I always wanted to be there in person.

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Originally Posted by Hubie48:
"wingless is even a smaller slice of the pie"

Which is why this "World on Inlaws" series scares Me..... non wing racing is really small. I have meet younger fans who did not even realize there was such a thing as Non Wing Sprint Car Racing!!!

that's crazy. Then back up 60 years when Sprints only ran on half miles..... you don't have to go back very far. I'm not going to drop names but I know a bunch of guys who are 70+ who raced..... they call everything in Indiana a "Midget Track"

honestly I had no clue how small wingless sprint car racing was until I got Flo. Just like our racing audience. I watch alot of replays during the week. Unless it is a big race, you are lucky to see stands anywhere close to half full. Bowman Gray is probably the most consistent with great crowds, but I even seen races only about half full there this season. It is good to see more adverting starting to pop up. That means the corporate world is starting to take notice (by the way I'm not talking about the racing industry commercials). 1 thing many forget about. Flo is a business not a charity. Goal number 1 is to make money. Just like all of our own personal businesses. I think we are about 5 years from knowing if streaming is helping or hurting the sport.

I also know this to be the case down here in Florida with the Southern Sprint Car series. The tracks don't pay them a sanction fee, they just pay the purse.
And I think all the streaming hoopla would die down if they were tape delayed- give folks a reason to go to the track. Streaming is changing business models everywhere. Look at Spotify. It's a great way to get in front of an audience, but you make squat. Same with digital downloads. Racing just has to adapt.

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Why would FLO feel the need to disclose their financials? If you hire me and I charge you X numbers of dollars, it is none of your business what I collect as profit or what I pay my employees. I believe you agreed to the terms. Perris need to adjust to times.

Didn’t Perris do a blackout on their programs within a certain amount of miles?

I’ve seen the topic of blackouts brought up but too my knowledge have not yet been applied. Maybe someone else can correct me?

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Originally Posted by JMA1181:
Didn’t Perris do a blackout on their programs within a certain amount of miles?

Think they did when Loudpeddal or the Cushion did Ovals, some others did too.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Think they did when Loudpeddal or the Cushion did Ovals, some others did too.

With a VPN solution you can get around black out restrictions. Many people are using it to get around Bally Sports.

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