Why not a Silver Crown race at Indy?
 

Who thinks it might be interesting to have a Silver Crown race at Indianapolis Motor Speedway? They've already done a lot of work on the cars to get them to be more adept on the higher speed ovals, maybe a race at the brickyard would boost their visibility. Just an idea to put on a more traditional race on with a more American-Indiana flavor. Maybe smaller fuel tank for better stability...
Just spit-balling to pass the time. :22:

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like to see them back at the MkE mile also.

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OK. I will play along. How many cars did they have at their last pavement race?

I bet you there is close to 20 at Phoenix in two weeks...

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If you remember when they tested the cars at Nashville several years ago the speeds were so great that the rear wheels were lifting at the end of the backstretch. A mile track is where they belong. Besides that the 8000 people it would draw would make the Xfinity race look crowded.

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What do you mean by lifting? Do you mean aerodynamically they were getting lift in the rear or was it something to do with tire construction? Don't blast me for this, but what happened with the Gold Crown idea, I thought they looked pretty cool and probably suitable for high speeds, just curious.

I would like to see a silver crown race at Lawrenceburg. ....

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Originally Posted by lazyifoto:
I would like to see a silver crown race at Lawrenceburg. ....

Now that sounds interesting.:8:

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Originally Posted by Aces&Eights:
Who thinks it might be interesting to have a Silver Crown race at Indianapolis Motor Speedway? They've already done a lot of work on the cars to get them to be more adept on the higher speed ovals, maybe a race at the brickyard would boost their visibility. Just an idea to put on a more traditional race on with a more American-Indiana flavor. Maybe smaller fuel tank for better stability...
Just spit-balling to pass the time. :22:

Did you mean the road course??

Lynn

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Originally Posted by Blackduce:
Did you mean the road course??

Lynn

No. Sorry.

The big crowd happens when the stars of Indy go to the short tracks. So Fernando Olonzo must also run the Silver Crown race at the Indy mile. Do you think that'll make a difference?

By Gold Crown do you mean the pavement car that was designed to run tracks bigger than a mile? If so, it's my opinion that the failed, extremely poorly thought out, experiment that was that morphodite vehicle, did more damage to the Silver Crown cars than anything else ever. Whoever came up with that idea should be permanently banned from motorsport! Trying to turn big cars into a Nascar support class was a terrible idea. Here's a fact that remains true, USAC racing, sprint, midgets, and crown, always have, and continues to produce the best racers in the world. Why anyone would want to try to change it is beyond me

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How about we let them race before the Indycars at Gateway? Little over a mile, but would be worth seeing!

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Originally Posted by Rich Mersereau:
The big crowd happens when the stars of Indy go to the short tracks. So Fernando Olonzo must also run the Silver Crown race at the Indy mile. Do you think that'll make a difference?

As I recall, there were four, maybe 6 owners, that actually bought cars, I believe Carl Edwards and a couple other Nascar guys bought in, I think C&R built Cousin Carl's, not really something that caught on, big money to get something started, that probably would never have worked out anyway. JMHO! Bob:deadhorse:

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Originally Posted by flagboy55:
By Gold Crown do you mean the pavement car that was designed to run tracks bigger than a mile? If so, it's my opinion that the failed, extremely poorly thought out, experiment that was that morphodite vehicle, did more damage to the Silver Crown cars than anything else ever. Whoever came up with that idea should be permanently banned from motorsport! Trying to turn big cars into a Nascar support class was a terrible idea. Here's a fact that remains true, USAC racing, sprint, midgets, and crown, always have, and continues to produce the best racers in the world. Why anyone would want to try to change it is beyond me

morphodite vehicle? I thought it looked pretty cool, but I understand your devotion and unlike some others recently, I won't try beat you over the head about it. I don't know the details, they were already a memory by the time I got interested in open wheel. I like silver crown, loved watching them on ESPN when Kenny Irwin, Smoke, and others that use to run them, especially liked the Ted Horn race. Much respect for the open wheel non-wing guys.:8:

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Ill forego Silver Crown at the speedway,just put Indy cars on a mile dirt:D

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Originally Posted by mc/rider:
Ill forego Silver Crown at the speedway,just put Indy cars on a mile dirt:D

https://youtu.be/sFfkyZ9mIwI

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Just my opinion but hell no unless you like to see people dying. A Chrome Moly Tubed car has no buisness on anything more than a 1.5 mile course and speeds under 150. Sorry, there is a reason the tech went to honeycomb and cars designed to shred and scrub off speed and impact force. A stiff tube does nothing but bend or break.

That being said, I used to be against Crown Cars at Burg but watching Moffatt hotlap and only being a tick off andretti in the sprinter. I would like to see it once.

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I say lets put the stars and cars of the 500 on the dirt at Eldora (like the you tube video) and give Smoke another special show..That I would pay to see.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Just my opinion but hell no unless you like to see people dying. A Chrome Moly Tubed car has no buisness on anything more than a 1.5 mile course and speeds under 150. Sorry, there is a reason the tech went to honeycomb and cars designed to shred and scrub off speed and impact force. A stiff tube does nothing but bend or break.

That being said, I used to be against Crown Cars at Burg but watching Moffatt hotlap and only being a tick off andretti in the sprinter. I would like to see it once.

I understand your safety concerns.

On the other hand, They used to do it all the time back in the sixties and seventies. And wouldn't it be reasonable to add a honeycomb aluminum cockpit to an SC car? Maybe even a carbon fiber cell in an SC car. I don't think there's anything magic or especially expensive about making carbon fiber anymore.

Furthermore, stock cars are tube frame cars and they are running high speeds on big tracks.

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I like the idea of Indy cars on dirt, but why would a car owner risk their zillion dollar ride on a dirt track, without a huge purse?

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https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/pic...pictureid=3095 STILL DON'T KNOW HOW i DID IT>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Furthermore, stock cars are tube frame cars and they are running high speeds on big tracks.

As are Funny Cars and Fuel Dragsters, Drivers have survived 300 MPH incidents in those.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Just my opinion but hell no unless you like to see people dying. A Chrome Moly Tubed car has no buisness on anything more than a 1.5 mile course and speeds under 150. Sorry, there is a reason the tech went to honeycomb and cars designed to shred and scrub off speed and impact force. A stiff tube does nothing but bend or break.

That being said, I used to be against Crown Cars at Burg but watching Moffatt hotlap and only being a tick off andretti in the sprinter. I would like to see it once.

Fair enough and your technical answer is a good point. No, I don't like to see people dying, but I do prefer a roadster/sprint style to a mid-engine. Thanks for your input. How did you arrive at your specs? I mean cup cars and the like are tubular construction and run over 150MPH, a lot... Food for thought.

Had the same idea while at the Freedom 100 two years ago. Silver Crown 100 on Saturday would be perfect. It could pay big money so drivers would be standing in line for the opportunity to run there. Today's cars with full containment seats and Hans are safe enough. They can set them up to handle the track. It would be the most prestigious race of the year for USAC and its driver's. Make it happen.

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I can say that there was a rumor, or should I say MORE than a rumor about the Silver Crown at the Speedway a couple of years ago. It did not materialize, however and I never asked about it. . . .

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Just for giggles and grins. It would be interesting to get Jack Hewitt's input on this.

He has run IMS and was one of the drivers who ran a champ dirt car at Pocono years ago.

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I'll call him today,get his input and then try and post his answer..Hopefully I wont have to edit much.

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Originally Posted by Wizard 05:
I'll call him today,get his input and then try and post his answer..Hopefully I wont have to edit much.

I loved his book, a great read for sure. "Hewitt's Law":9:

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I think the last of the front engine roadsters ran in 64 at indy. the speed was 154. Engines put out about 4-500hp and tires were about 6 inches wide.

Put a modern champ car out there and they'll turn 180 laps. IM sorry, I see these cars get the cage knocked in a foot from wrecks at THAT. You say Nascar and NHRA use tube frames. Yeah, but they have a containment compartment of hoops and many bars, not just three or four frame rails. Nascar has crush panels on both sides, flaps to keep em from flipping and have set the driver centered in the car..

And the truth is, They're slowing both Nascar and Indycar down, have done it about every five years since the 80s.

Im not bashing the idea, just the fact that these cars are not built for that kinda speed. As others said, The Gold Crown cars got twitchy and that was with some ground effects.

Nobody knows how this seemed to happen. But it was a less than 100mph impact.
This was the dust out race
You Tube Video

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
I think the last of the front engine roadsters ran in 64 at indy. the speed was 154. Engines put out about 4-500hp and tires were about 6 inches wide.

Put a modern champ car out there and they'll turn 180 laps. IM sorry, I see these cars get the cage knocked in a foot from wrecks at THAT. You say Nascar and NHRA use tube frames. Yeah, but they have a containment compartment of hoops and many bars, not just three or four frame rails. Nascar has crush panels on both sides, flaps to keep em from flipping and have set the driver centered in the car..

And the truth is, They're slowing both Nascar and Indycar down, have done it about every five years since the 80s.

Im not bashing the idea, just the fact that these cars are not built for that kinda speed. As others said, The Gold Crown cars got twitchy and that was with some ground effects.

Nobody knows how this seemed to happen. But it was a less than 100mph impact.
This was the dust out race
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvirVMHFBCQ&t=199s

Bobby Grim put the Racing Associates Watson with a Herbie Horsepower Turbo-Offy in the field in '66 but was taken out in the First lap frontstretch melee (Dan Gurney - "We're supposed to be 33 of the greatest drivers in the world, you'd think we could drive down a straight piece of road"), and Herk put his Mallard in the show in '68; although some don't consider that a true roadster it was front-engine...

Why isn't there a silver crown race at Knoxville?

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Originally Posted by ZMR:
Why isn't there a silver crown race at Knoxville?

I believe there have been 3 Silver Crown events at Knoxville. One in 1981 which was won by Rich Vogler. The SC division raced at Knoxville in 2000 and that event was won by Jay Drake. The SC cars again saw action at Knoxville the following year in 2001, that event was won by J.J. Yeley.:27:

I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the reason the Silver Crown division was only at Knoxville 3 times is the same reason they were recently at Belleville only 3 times. There was not enough money to be made.:27:

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There use to be one,, during the Hall of fame inductions I believe,,Could be wrong,, I think there was that and then the Grand Masters race..Not 100% sure though.

Thanks for the info!

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Originally Posted by ZMR:
Why isn't there a silver crown race at Knoxville?

Not enough people showed up to watch it. I was there and the locals did nothing but complain about how slow the cars were, even though the racing was much closer than the weekly sprint show that night.

Originally Posted by revjimk:
I like the idea of Indy cars on dirt, but why would a car owner risk their zillion dollar ride on a dirt track, without a huge purse?

They might if it was still part of a unique American style national championship. These same owners seem to have no problem with multiple cars as long as they are for street parades and road courses. So called big time Indy car racing is Euro racing masquerading as American racing.

I would like to see this thread completely deleted before anyone with common sense discovers it exists.

As far as Knoxville goes, they changed the dirt there sometime in the late 90's to make for better winged racing, which it does. Unfortunately, the way it glazes over slows the non-wing cars down too much. The sprints will probably get around there pretty good this year considering how much more they hook up these days but the silver crowns were really slow the last time they ran there. I would bet Vogler's feature lap times in '81 were faster than Yeley in 2001. As far as Indy goes, we all know it would be dangerous but I know there's plenty of guys willing to do it so let them. I'd pay more for that ticket than I would the 500.