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well people what do we have to do? Indiana is amazing sprint car state! lawrenceburg is amazing racetrack among with kokomo,bloomington and haubdsat.well then why dont we get but one outlaw race at tri state? kokomo used to and I was hoping to go but they didnt have one this year. So what do we have to do to get the outlaws at the burg in 09???? READY to see the king and saldana at the front at the burg!!!:shout

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Lets see, It cost 90,000 just to get a one day show plus another 20-30 grand promoting it. Are you willing to take that risk? The only way this is happening is if a outside promotions group brings em to the track. I believe LBurg had three in 04-06. The first two made money or broke even. The third due to a rainout reschedual lost tens of thousands. That promotions company did not return for 07-08 and with the track with only 3000 seats prior the cost was high and the risk was higher. Now if they could get 7000 down there it could be a incredible venue.

I don't dare speak for Bozo. I know he expressed interest with the new configuration and seating but what his plans are. I don't know.

I do know its a huge risk for any promotor. Bloomingtons even out with its hometown umpteen time WOO champion and it often takes many years to become successful and a EVENT people plan on attending every year.

A huge huge risk expecially in a market that hasn't seen regualar winged racing in over ten years. I personally only know about six competitors of the WOO and thats because they were racing when I followed them and they raced here reguarly. Most of the new guys didn't come from this area of the nation.

Chuck

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i dont know where you get the 90k for a show, i was under the impression it was a 10k santctioning fee....

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plus purse.

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WoO Sanction fee is $20,000.

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ok... well i was about half way there, but i wasnt under the impression that the promoter caughed up the full purse

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I will say this if the track was like it was for the HFC and the Outlaws came a calling it would be well worth paying for. JMO

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Just curious....where did you think that the purse came from?

The promoter is on the hook for the whole number, unless he gets some sponsorship help. But even then, his costs are merely offset....it tales a bunch of money to promote a WoO show.....

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woo purse is $56,000 fee is $22,000. with proper promotion and the purse for an undercars class, labor cost, city fees, you're looking at close to $100,000 cost... plus the woo drivers, crews and owners receive pit admissions... any takers?

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HMM......well then someone said the burg holded 7k? well charge 30 to get in fill the stands and you are getting 210,000 back? So get the outlaws there. thats not counting the food and beer to be sold or any money from a sponser or promoter. THERE is money to be made!! you also have pit passes and and entry fees...... NOW I know money is a big deal. But explain why the burg has the woo late models..? does it not cost the same to hold a race for? and im sure it cost some to get the lucas oil late model series there also........ you going to vernon broc?

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Lawrenceburg Speedway actuall holds 6118. That would be great if we could charge $30 to get in and fill the stands, but that's no guarantee. No matter how much advertising we do, if there is one single cloud or raindrop in the sky, your crowd can very easily go from 4500 to 900.

The track is responsible for 100% of the purse and on top of that sanction fee. Also, most organizations ask the promotor to pay all or a portion of their insurance prememium, even if you have your own. This can be anywhere between $1500 and $4500. The only way out of this is if your track insurance is through the same company and the same plan as a sanction. That holds true with any event that is not a "regular" event.

The Lucas Oil and WOO Late Models don't even cost half of what the WOO sprints cost.

And yes, very few drivers and owners actually pay to get in. Most of the teams that travel the sanction get into all the tracks for FREE!

I would love to see the WOO Sprints at the burg, so if anyone has any in with a sponsor who is willing to fork up big bucks (appox $30,000) to title the event, Lemmie know!

Thanks!

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Very well put Kim......excellent answer to any and all questions

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I hate being right.

Thanks Kim for the clarification. Dave said he wouldn't rule it out but its gonna take either sponsorship or a outside promotions.

I remember about three our four years ago right before the WoO-NST split that some track in South Dakota held a WoO show and they had a grand total of 9 cars show up. Think it was Grand Forks not sure.

Not saying thats the norm and don't know what happened but he vowed off the WoO forever after that.


Chuck, Even the threat of rain and high travel cost are enough to keep many these days at home or closer to home than traveling.

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kinda makes you stop and think though.... It takes nearly 100k to put on a WoO Sprint car show yet they still have close to 80 dates this year. Even though their stock value may be in the crapper they still after all these years seem to be doing something right. USAC should be jealous. Wings or not its still gotta be pretty nice for the competetors putting on the show to not have to pay to get in.

The new million dollar Laweranceburg speedway can't afford a WoO show, but they can afford to put on non-wing sprints every week? Maybe the non-wingers are lowballing themselves?

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I agree with the second part but remember this. I can afford to go to a NW race every week. Maybe two or three of them.

I could see USAC rasing price a bit and purse but Id raise the purse thru the pack first. Your mileage may vary.

Chuck, saying WoO has file Bankruptcy at least twice. As far as I know USACs barely hanging on and been around almost three times as long.

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Kim - in my opinion, the reason you get no fans with a drop of rain - is the rain check policy. This is not directly about Lawrenceburg, but most of the dirt tracks around.

you do not offer the fan a complete refund immediately at the track when there is a rainout.

unfortunately, this rain policy keeps people away.

as a fan, I pay to see a certain event, on a certain day, I have no interest in a rain check. So, if I feel a drop of rain in the air, I will not come.

It is simple as that.

I understand, I am not expecting a change in policy. It is a shame that there is not a refund policy statewide.

As per the discussion of the costs associated with Woo Sprints. I understand the cost figures, but, how do they attract about 50 tracks a year to sign up? What factor am I missing? I wonder if certain tracks get "sweetheart" deals. After all, we say the Lawrenceburg is one of the showplaces in dirt racing, but, it cannot afford a showplace event. Something is missing here.

maybe, build 16 luxury suites on the back stretch. rent for $10000 each for the year, or, use them to draw big sponsors - giving them the use of a luxury suite.

I think the more pressing problem, the declining numbers of the weekly sprints.

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Myself or Kim have never said Lawrenceburg can't afford a WOO Show. I have been working with WOO to have a show in 2009, So you all need to relax and wait for the 2009 schedule to come out. Every show a promoter puts on is a huge gamble.
Take care, Dave

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I couldn't agree with you more on the rain out policy. If it rains out refund the peoples money.

I went to an Outlaw show at Granite City IL one time and it rained out and they wouldn't give me my money back and I couldn't get over there again to use a rain check. Needless to say I never went back there again. So now if it looks like rain I don't go either.

The Outlaws are fixen to price themselves out of a lot of tracks.

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I remember Gas City several years ago, the show got rained out.

Jiggs was standing at the gate passing out $20 bills to the fans as they left.

That gesture got him a ton more fan support than the money he lost by not using rain checks.

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Not to change the direction of conversation, but here goes. Has anyone heard the sanction cost for the "NATIONAL" LUCAS OIL A.S.C.S. shows for next year? From what I have read they usually draw 40-50 cars and put on a good show. I am not a huge wing guy but if this "new" series could come into Indiana and put together a Lawerenceburg, Bloomington, Kokomo, swing I would definitely give that series some of my $$ to see something different. Heard they have some good racing at a lower price point for the promoter, don't know that as fact, just what I have read. Just a thought.

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The Lawrenceburg facility can deffinitely support a WOO sprint car race. The facility is amazing. The real question is can the local car count and the local fans support a WOO race. The Outlaws will come to town with 14-18 cars depending on the time of year and who still has money. Will Lawrenceburg be able to draw 15-20 Non WOO 410 wing cars to complete the field?

Another question is does the average fan in the Lawrenceburg area know enough about the WOO to spend the 30-35 bucks to get into the show? Or would they rather save the money for a USAC show.

While I agree that it would seem to be a no-brainer to bring in the WOO, I also think that the promoters have a lot of risk associated with it.

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The WoO will listen to anyone who has the money. Put up or shut up, if its a good deal. Deal or no deal.
Chuck

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Haubstadt puts on one heck of a WOO show. They must make money doing it.

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I THINK OLD BOZO WOULD CHARGE MORE LIKE 40.00 :wink :wink

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I saw my first and last WoO race at Eldora in 1978.

If they want them at the 'burg, that's fine, but don't count me in as far as a paying spectator. I'll pass. :usac:

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when a baseball game gets rain out are they giving a cash refund i think not!!!

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With a baseball game you have got maybe 80 other opportunities to see a game.

With racing, if it is a special event, that is it. You should not be forced to see another event you do not care about, just to use your rain check.

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Its gotta be better than that All Star regional and thats all I got to say about that.

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In California, to go to an Outlaw show it costs $45 to get in the gate. I personally believe that the boys are pricing themselves right out of business. While I admire alot of the older drivers, the road for a young sprint car driver today is through USAC and then maybe NASCRAP. Thats the future for young sprinters - USAC. I will never attend another Outlaw show, not for the cost, not to see the ugly barn doors and not for the no-passing, slot car main events. I will take the traditional sprinters anytime and anywhere. I wish Lawrenceburg the best if they go forward with the WoW.

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ASCS means no qualifying, 360s, wings and a pill draw. That is not for me ever.

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Im not on here trying to get everyone in a up roar. I just want to see the fan response.lawrenceburg is awesome and I just wanted to get the fans behind getting a woo show on.

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Surfing last night and read somewhere that this will happen 2 nights in june, couldn't remember where I read it though.

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Outlaws are way overpriced for what type of show they put on these days it used to be decent to watch and I even tried again this year at haubstadt after not going to watch them for over ten years. I paid way to much just to watch only the wild child and the king pass cars the rest of them was nothing but a train race for there points nothing at all going on with the rest of what is left.

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CONCORD, N.C. — Nov. 1, 2008 — The 2009 World of Outlaws Sprint Car Series schedule will feature 80 events, including a new two-day event in the “Month of Money” at Ken Schrader’s I-55 Raceway.

Kicking off Feb. 6 as part of the Alltel DIRTcar Nationals by UNOH at Volusia Speedway Park near Daytona Beach, Fla., the Greatest Show on Dirt will then return to the Las Vegas Motor Speedway Dirt Track on its way to the Mini Gold Cup in March at Silver Dollar Speedway in Chico, Calif.

The Advance Auto Parts World of Outlaws Sprint Car Series, featuring 17 multi-day events in 2009, will add a two-day events in June at Lawrenceburg Speedway near Cincinnati and at Knoxville (Iowa) Raceway as a warm-up to the Month of Money with traditional dates for the Kings Royal at Eldora Speedway in Rossburg, Ohio; the Don Martin Memorial Silver Cup at Lernerville Speedway in Sarver, Pa.; and the Summer Nationals at Williams Grove Speedway in Mechanicsburg, Pa. A new two-day special Aug. 7-8 at I-55 Raceway will launch a busy August schedule.

The series will again travel north of the border for events at Ohsweken Speedway in Ontario and Castrol Raceway in Edmonton before rounding out a West Coast swing with the Gold Cup Race of Champions at Silver Dollar Speedway.

The full schedule will be released in mid-November. For the latest news and information, visit WorldofOutlaws.com.