To 5 bar or Not To 5 bar?
 

When and why is running 5 bar an advantage? I see some teams with only 5 bar chassis and sometimes they utilize it and sometimes they don't. Other teams seem to never bother, is it just preference or does it enhance performance?:11:

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its just to make people ask questions

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This is why I don't like to run a 5 bar.

Jesse Hockett at Bloomington. Throttle stuck and he set the front end down real hard. Fast forward to 1:40.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce2SMtDdVZU

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please explain to me how the anti roll bar caused that?

When the throttle released and the nose slammed down, the sway bar tube dug in the track and launched the car. I think that was a Maxim and there is no kick up in the lower rail out to the sway bar tube. That makes the tube very low. Look at Dutcher or Brady Short"s cars as examples.

Haven't tested one yet, plan to at some point, but they can turn a bike into a nasty flip, don't run one currently. Got in to the back of someone one night front end dove over and caught the sway bar and took a ride. They have removable ones you can mount and dismount easily. If you get over on the rf hard they can dig into the dirt, can turn a slight rollover or no flip, into a wild one.

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Looks like it is working good too. Bob

It was a DRC

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Uhm, I'm not trying to be contradictory, but I watched that several times, paused, slow-mo'd and nothing I saw was effected at all by there being an anti-roll bar up front... You say the throttle hangs, then he carries the frontend(wheelie), but then the car starts to pitch over to the right before the frontend even drops. If you watch, the rear actually jumps up off the ground before the nose can dig in. There was some sort of failure, but nothing to suggest the anti-roll bar was related to it. If I'm missing something please explain.

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The sway bar has the ability to dig into the ground (as it does in this video) when dropping the front end very hard. What happened is that the throttle stuck, he pulled hard back up off the gas, the right front part of the sway bar caught the ground as it twisted and he went flipping.

The idea of the sway bar is smart. It gives you left rear drive when the track is drying off, but I'd rather not have the bar sticking out there for it to catch like it did on Hockett's car.

He would of flipped nonetheless, but if u watch the video it goes from starting to flip, to a violent end over end, the sway bar didn't necessarily cause the flip but it definitely made it more violent.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm not sure you can put the blame on the sway bar for making that crash so violent. I don't thinkle the car came down far enough for that bar to start that flip. As far as making it worse I don't think it did that either. It didn't matter sway car, bumper, or torsion rack. When the nose came down and it started to go over any of those 3 things were going to launch that car. If I remember correctly the DRC sway bar is up 2 or 3 inches. Maxims are straight out so if the sway bar caused that I think we would see it more often then we do. One freak accident such as that should not be a deciding factor on if you use or do not use a sway bar. I know many times I sat the nose down hard in both a DRC and Maxim and never had any issues. Not saying it can't happen, but that accident should not be a reason to run or not run one.

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You start the thread; you ask a question Now you want to argue with somebody What a jackass!:deadhorse:

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No, he just wants to make sure the advice is correct....
This isn't Hoseheads....

Couldnt remember for sure it has been a few years. They pitted right beside us that night. Jesse said the sway bar dug in when he got the throttle popped loose. I trust the guy whose ass was in the seat to know what happened. Now if some still want to review the video and argue about it, have fun.

Well then I stand corrected. I was going off memory from the shop that next day. I've taken a few hard hits since then, but I still feel as though you should not make your decision just because of this one incident.

I agree. Both my current cars are Spike 5 bar cars. I used it some with Cottle, not at all with Hunter. Just whatever the driver dujour felt they wanted at the time.

It's a tool like anything else, it can be used to make you faster if used correctly, when I raced sprint cars I loved what it did for the car in the way it reacted especially in the slick.

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Thank you, I thought I was respectful when I asked for clarification... I left 4M because the trolls got so bad over there.