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Indiana sprint scene 2017
Anyone know of any new drivers, new teams, driver moves, etc. ?
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Dave Darland back to the Phillips #71P.
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Dave Darland to the Phillips 71p
Chad Boespflug to the Hoffman 69 Brady Bacon will run part time in the Dooling 63 & Justin Grant will drive for McGhee |
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clayton?
tmez? |
Hopefully Daron Clayton gets a ride!
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Not completely related, but KTJ to the buffalo wild wings 82 winged car. Alot of non-winged talent going to the winged cars.
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It now appears we wont be seeing much of Kevin Thomas Jr.
Going wing racing in 2017 for the Bdubs 82 team Edit - And it appears someone posted at the same time I did. I apologize for doubling up. |
Max McGhee wheeling the 4J for Ottinger
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Edison 10e gone.
Walker 11 gone. Hoffman 69 gone. I know a few others who are on the verge of calling it quits. Too expensive to run 3 nights a week just so a driver who doesn't have a job and brings nothing to the table can take 40% . Car owners are going broke and finding other ways to have fun. |
Originally Posted by Go Fast: |
Not really. His stuff, their sponsor.
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Originally Posted by GYATK94: The only race planned out of HAR is the Little 500 for now |
Go fast and Charles, thanks for the info. I didn't realize Chad was using the same stuff as last year.
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I've been told by several that tire rules are part of the reason. Especially those with Other Brand Sponsorship's.
Not that most things on these cars would drive a average working family broke in about a month. |
Most expensive parts on a race car are the tires and the driver. Both will put you in the poor house.
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Last I heard T Mez was going to PRI try & put own ride together:44:
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So,we ***** about drivers having to pay to get an Indy car ride, and now we ***** about sprint car driver's getting paid! Can someone please help me understand this? We want to say our racing is the best on the planet, but you can't make a living doing it? No wonder guys are going to the wings!
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Originally Posted by flagboy55: Motors barring catastrophic damage are refresh-able multiple times, Those like Chassis are a investment, Granted they will never pay for themselves, But a couple USAC or bigger show wins could pay the refreshes. Tires, You could go through 1500 a night in tires easy on some tracks, Even cut that in half and put it on a 45 race season, 34k. Allowing teams to choose their own brand, hardness etc would and can help to reduce that significantly both in initial tire cost and being able to reuse most of them. sometimes several times. This has changed significantly. I remember Sprint Racing where guys would get half a season on a tire. As for driver being a factor in cost. Well they take half the returns, Even if the owner paid for the whole team to get in etc. Of course they should be paid, It's their life on the line. But its a huge factor in the cost of racing. Your driver also has a ton to do with the cars running cost. Does he junk a chassis every couple weeks? Does he burn the tires off down slick straights and also over rev the motor? Granted everyone has a learning curve, some never get it, and some are just plain standouts and wear and replacing stuff is at a minimum while still finishing up front. Not knocking anyone, Just plain facts The $$$ on these cars has become almost unfathomable for a sport where a few guys or a family used to say, Lets put a car together and be able to race it a full season without breaking the bank. The bank can get broken in just a few races anymore. |
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Back Semi on topic.
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Re: Indiana sprint scene 2017
Originally Posted by Charles Nungester: |
I enjoy reading up on the changes of drivers and teams, like the hot stove league in baseball used to be in the old days. I'm not sure the whole money and cost of operation thing is the problem with non wing racing. There seems to be plenty of sponsors to run multiple midget teams and drivers for the Chili bowl. All those teams for a $10k payoff and $800 for last. No money to be made there for building all the cars, expense of travel, paying drivers (if they do) etc. Why weren't there 300 cars for the Rock N Roll shootout at the Badlands, it paid $50k???
I don't have the answer for where and why sponsors spend more of their money on wing and midget racing now. Maybe more sponsor logo room on a wing, but much less on a midget, so maybe not. The cost of operation, not even close. A wing team will cost double or probably triple the cost of a good USAC team. Much more travel for a IN driver and wing team, fewer wing races in IN. No way you get more than one night on a right rear wing tire. Brent Beauchamp said he won features on old tires, as well as Kyle Cummins has. Wing cars cannot not have adjustable shocks like a non wing, so multiple shocks needed. The price of the wings. Kyle Cummins had 50 shows on his motor in the 3R car last year and won his last show of the year. I think most wing engine builders say 15 nights then a $7500 refresh if nothing broken or worn above normal rings, bearings, and lifters etc. if it doesn't grenade on its own. It seems to me that our economy is pretty good right now for individuals and company's to have the extra $$ to put into racing. Where they chose to put that money is the part that is sometimes hard to understand. If it was quality of product I think hands down non wing racing is better than the wing cars event, though I like both. So maybe not that. Maybe national media attention, used to see USAC on Wide World of Sports and ESPN with regularity. You can watch Late Model and Wing shows just about everyday on satellite TV, and major networks every so often. I am thankful for Jackslash on trying to get more non wing races out there for people to see, its great to have MavTV on DirecTV. I wish I had the answers, but I don't. I don't think it tire rules, the amount of tires, engines, or consumables (oil, fuel, travel) as much as it is that money folks are choosing to spent in other forms right now. 40' stacker trailers, toter homes, and fancy pit vehicles are tons of money and the pits are full of them and they have nothing to do with winning a race. If you look at it in reality that is more than 2/3 the cost of racing a non wing team. Just to get it there in style, and better than the guy beside you....hmmmm I always have pulled for the low budget guys myself. Look at Shark Racing in WOO. Two car team with a piece of trash trailer, old dually, no paint of the frames, minimal graphics, only one spare motor and frame for both guys, and dang they were fast. Loved it. Young guys out having the time of their life. Sorry for the rant on cost of racing. Back on subject. Kyle Cummins will be back in the Hank Byram, Rock Steady Racing 3R this year. They are sporting a new Mach 1 set to debut down at Bubba Raceway Park. |
Originally Posted by flagboy55: |
Toter homes cost less than a dually, and if used properly they do away with hotel rooms and restaurants!! As for a 44' stacker trailer, it allows you to securely carry the cars and parts you need to travel long distances. The fancy pitcart carries the spare parts and tools you need to the work area which alot of times is in the infield. If your running for a national championship every point matters which means being able to make necessary repairs to get back on the track,especially if you have a small team. #worksmarternotharder
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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester: Kyle is not a full time driver, he owns his own growing CNC machine shop business. Hank owns a electrical contract business. They both work hard at their business to make it successful and miss racing some shows due to business commitments (like Kyle missing eastern storm last year). They work tons of hours (like everyone it seems) to make the money to do it and have little sponsor money compared to some, I know I work for Kyle on my days off from the FD. |
Originally Posted by mike mcghee: |
I certainly understand the economics of racing. For the most part that's why my sprint car career only lasted parts of 3 or 4 years. "The only way to make a small fortune in racing is to start with a big one" I remember first hearing that phrase over 40 years ago and it pretty much holds true today. I just had to comment with all the criticism over buying rides, and guys leaving non wing to make more money running wings, I find a certain irony someone would mention the cost of paying a driver.
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I am afraid car turnout this year will be an issue. Everyone wants to talk about the big names either switching to wings, ir without a ride, but how many local guts are calling it quits. I am aware of several. Full weekly fields might be a thing of the past???
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Originally Posted by flagboy55: |
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