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always nice to see more 5k to win non wing races

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This is brilliant. Will be instantly one of the nicest dirt tracks in the country. Good luck to all involved.:9:

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One of the few dirt tracks with a safer barrier. 2000 club level seats 10000 aluminum backed seats. Hillside seating. Also nice to see a facility that can hold some bigger $$ races.

While we might not have multiple tracks running NW on a saturday night in ohio. What we do have is good car counts and good racing and even getting a few bigger paying NW races. Fremont 7500, Millstream 5k Mansfield 5k and a couple 3ks. Atomic and Portsmouth are great NW tracks as well :) Limaland was great till the top went away.

The place is going to be run by the same person who did the Bankers Life and St Louis Dome races So they know how to Market and promote. Bankers Life wasn't so good as track wasn't mulit grooved but the St Louis done was a hit by any measure.

My question is, Are they removing the asphalt or just putting dirt over it?

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
One of the few dirt tracks with a safer barrier. 2000 club level seats 10000 aluminum backed seats. Hillside seating. Also nice to see a facility that can hold some bigger $$ races.

While we might not have multiple tracks running NW on a saturday night in ohio. What we do have is good car counts and good racing and even getting a few bigger paying NW races. Fremont 7500, Millstream 5k Mansfield 5k and a couple 3ks. Atomic and Portsmouth are great NW tracks as well :) Limaland was great till the top went away.

The place is going to be run by the same person who did the Bankers Life and St Louis Dome races So they know how to Market and promote. Bankers Life wasn't so good as track wasn't mulit grooved but the St Louis done was a hit by any measure.

My question is, Are they removing the asphalt or just putting dirt over it?

From what I've heard the asphalt will remain below the clay.

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Nice to see another dirt track, but it is a long drive from Evansville!

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I don't know anything about the buyer accept for scuttle coming in the aftermath of the dirt late model race in St. Louis last December. Seems the guy that bought Mansfield was also the promoter at St. Louis. There is a fair amount of grumbling among the late model participants of that show.

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Originally Posted by ISF:
I don't know anything about the buyer accept for scuttle coming in the aftermath of the dirt late model race in St. Louis last December. Seems the guy that bought Mansfield was also the promoter at St. Louis. There is a fair amount of grumbling among the late model participants of that show.

That's because if you didn't make the A-Main in either the late model or modified you didn't get squat $00000. I know one guy went $300 entry fee, 4 new tires, and $600+ in pit passes, ect.. and got latterly nothing back. No tow money nothing period. The payout for the show was pathetic as any race for that high of winners purse. The modified a-main Friday only paid about $100 to start and it was a $5,000 to win race.

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Originally Posted by nathans1012:
That's because if you didn't make the A-Main in either the late model or modified you didn't get squat $00000. I know one guy went $300 entry fee, 4 new tires, and $600+ in pit passes, ect.. and got latterly nothing back. No tow money nothing period. The payout for the show was pathetic as any race for that high of winners purse. The modified a-main Friday only paid about $100 to start and it was a $5,000 to win race.

Did they not know the payout going in?
Old Phrase, Nobody's fault but mine, comes to mind.

IMHO the Chili Bowl purse, cost etc is a bigger joke.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Did they not know the payout going in?
Old Phrase, Nobody's fault but mine, comes to mind.

IMHO the Chili Bowl purse, cost etc is a bigger joke.

The full payout was never posted not event on the entry forms or website and every time they asked a track official they got an I don't know answer.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Did they not know the payout going in?
Old Phrase, Nobody's fault but mine, comes to mind.

Well said, Chaz. Well said.

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Racers are some of the most optimistic people I have met. Everyone goes to the track thinking that tonight is the night that they win. Nobody thinks that they can be hurt at the track. Finally, everyone thinks that they will figure out some magic formula for making money at the track. Sometimes the facts will only confuse them. :3::3:

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LOL same way never meet a person that lost money at the casinos.

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Originally Posted by Jonr:
Racers are some of the most optimistic people I have met. Everyone goes to the track thinking that tonight is the night that they win. Nobody thinks that they can be hurt at the track. Finally, everyone thinks that they will figure out some magic formula for making money at the track. Sometimes the facts will only confuse them. :3::3:

If the track is more weekly / not just a one time deal, the racers would need to be convinced that they won't loose as large amounts of money to keep coming back.

Originally Posted by ISF:
I don't know anything about the buyer accept for scuttle coming in the aftermath of the dirt late model race in St. Louis last December. Seems the guy that bought Mansfield was also the promoter at St. Louis. There is a fair amount of grumbling among the late model participants of that show.

I know one thing your wrong about your statement is, that he didn't buy Mansfield, he's just promoting it. Just giving my $.2 in.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
IMHO the Chili Bowl purse, cost etc is a bigger joke.

The difference is chili bowl is a 30+ year old tried and true huge event. Everyone heading for Tulsa with a racecar knows exactly what they stand to win and/or lose before they ever send in an entry.

The deal at St. Louis was alleged by some credible car owners to have been kept under wraps until everyone was on premises and in place with the racing in progress.

Just a bit of a different situation.

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Originally Posted by ISF:
The difference is chili bowl is a 30+ year old tried and true huge event. Everyone heading for Tulsa with a racecar knows exactly what they stand to win and/or lose before they ever send in an entry.

The deal at St. Louis was alleged by some credible car owners to have been kept under wraps until everyone was on premises and in place with the racing in progress.

Just a bit of a different situation.

That is true and not necessarily what I meant by being a joke.

I honestly have no idea, What it cost to rent the facility, build the track, stands etc and staff Chili Bowl but you got 15k people paying a average of 180 for tickets. Every hauler pays a significant pit rental. I did see the vendor price and that was a thousand for a ten by ten and three thousand for a ten by thirty..

The event has at least two major sponsors in General Tire and Lucas Oil.

You would think this would be 50k to win easy.

The St. Louis thing. I would think most wanted to be part of something that could be a hit and by all accounts was. Track had some potholes but I chalk that up to being sifted dirt and not clay.

One thing with Mansfield and at least having a sanctioning body. The teams will get paid as advertised.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
That is true and not necessarily what I meant by being a joke.

I honestly have no idea, What it cost to rent the facility, build the track, stands etc and staff Chili Bowl but you got 15k people paying a average of 180 for tickets. Every hauler pays a significant pit rental. I did see the vendor price and that was a thousand for a ten by ten and three thousand for a ten by thirty..

The event has at least two major sponsors in General Tire and Lucas Oil.

You would think this would be 50k to win easy.

The St. Louis thing. I would think most wanted to be part of something that could be a hit and by all accounts was. Track had some potholes but I chalk that up to being sifted dirt and not clay.

Fair enough. I understand what you're saying, as well. However, chili bowl has evolved into an event that transcends all economic logic. St. Louis is light years away from that status.

As far as the St. Louis deal being a hit, Friday night got relatively favorable reviews from Dirt on Dirt. The recent negative vibes emanating from a significant portion of the late model community are beginning to overshadow even the positive D on D reviews.

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Originally Posted by ISF:
Fair enough. I understand what you're saying, as well. However, chili bowl has evolved into an event that transcends all economic logic. St. Louis is light years away from that status.

As far as the St. Louis deal being a hit, Friday night got relatively favorable reviews from Dirt on Dirt. The recent negative vibes emanating from a significant portion of the late model community are beginning to overshadow even the positive D on D reviews.

I don't keep up with the LM community. Really haven't since the late 80s. Yet I think it would be unwise to dismiss the event. It could easily be LM's and Mod's Chili Bowl. What do they want, A hundred dollar tow money? From the Fan View I've seen from those that went, The lower bowl of the stadium was getting close to being filled (And that's all they rented) as adding more levels would have required much more staffing..

Like you said, No where close to 30 years and a must attend event. But it could be and in the future, It could be huge for both teams and fans.

There are less than a handful of teams at almost all races (A few exceptions) That come out ahead or break even. I guess the question is, How much can you afford to lose?

I've got a friend running the Chili Bowl this y Costing a fortune to do it, and he's got a lot of help. Yet he's doing it, BECAUSE HE WANTS TOO! And to that, I say, GO FOR IT!
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Didn't he know the payoff going in?

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Did they not know the payout going in?
Old Phrase, Nobody's fault but mine, comes to mind.

IMHO the Chili Bowl purse, cost etc is a bigger joke.

I once ran a show that was advertised as $2K to win, $200 to start. I'd ran several shows at that track with the same advertised payout & it was good. But this nite I ran third & got $200. We were halfway home before we opened the envelope. I later asked the guys who finished in front of me what they got. 1st got $2K, 2nd got $200. I never went back.

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Last I knew the SillyBowl payout (per positon THRU all 350+ cars) has NEVER been posted...paging Don Moore!!!:D

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sounds great; Just fill the stands, and go to the bank!

In reality no regular season points paying outdoor shows during the season should be compared to the chili bowl or any other indoor show for that matter. It has no competition from other races, and no chance of weather problems other than perhaps driving there. I don't think the purse there matters much as everyone wants to do a little racing in January in spite of the cost. That said, sounds like Mansfield is going to be a great place. My only concern is covering the pavement with dirt. Doesn't always work out so well

I have been involved with LM & Sprints since the late '70's. We used to haul our cars around with pick-ups (a dually if you were really fortunate) and open trailers. I laugh when I hear conversations about tow money to the high profile shows. I remember several trips to Eldora from Southwestern Indiana and we never got a dime unless we transferred into the consi. Back then, $100 tow money would have meant a lot. We used to have room for over 200 rigs in the pits at Eldora.

I had a driver sit down with me one winter and I asked about a new chassis for the upcoming season. He asked if we could spend the money on an enclosed trailer instead of on a new chassis. At that point, I realized he was more concerned with the appearance of this team instead of its performance. We soon parted ways.

It is very difficult for me to have a lot of compassion for a team that pulls into the pits with a $500,000 tow rig. God Bless Hofmann Racing and guys like Kyle Cummins showing the world what can happen when you spend the money in the right place.:3:

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They are now going to rip up the pavement and put the dirt down on the soil!

From TJ's top shelf site:

http://tjslideways.com/2017/01/19/t-...-game-changer/

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This track will be unreal. Can't wait. :32: Fans seemed to complain when tracks are in trouble or close, this one is going to open and be awesome. :22: