Cage Lights
 

Anybody have details on these?

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Just a prototype apparently

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Wow thats ugly, why not make tracks put more signal lights around them. People wonder why all these other forms of racing are bleeding fans. No one wants to see race cars with lights on them, this ain't indy car nor Daytona Prototypes.

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Whats next? turn signals!

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What is next, turn signals!!

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What is next,turn signals!!:15:

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sorry about the multiple posts,the sight of those things made me lose my mind.

If they were yellow, and some how activated when the track goes yellow, or red for that matter, it might be a good idea. I hate to see brake lights on race cars.

Look's a little distracting if you look at it dont think i would want to be following it

I believe they are backup lights, and are on the correct end of the car. Bob

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usac isn't going to make promotors do anything. looks like there going to put everything on the car owner. I believe the lights will only come on at yellows and reds. but your right, they are fugly. we will see what happens in a accident when you have more stuff to fly off. i am sick and tired of all of it.if they really do this i might just put my stuff on classifieds and see what i get.

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Too funny at the whining. Here is an idea: Maybe wait and see exactly what this will turn out to be? There has been more information released on this system, and to keep it short, part of that info is USAC is taking the financial part of it. "Hardware owned by USAC, no cost to teams. Minimal effort required to install."

Basically, it is a small system hooked up to live timing and scoring. One person said that they are looking at having a simple yellow light on the dash. If a yellow or red is displayed, that light is activated as soon as the track lights would go yellow or red. Said the system is very easy to install. All they are trying to do is improve reaction time.

The system shown above, which I really do not like, might be lit on the leader, maybe top 3. But would also act as caution lights. I am kind of OK with the idea of them being used as caution lights, but not as a leader marker.

Also: "will also have scan code stickers on driver helmets in all series it sanctions for rapid access to detailed medical history." Again, This could be a great idea, but I also worry about who has access to that scan code. If a driver leaves his helmet on his hood after the heat race, can Joe Blow walk by and scan it?

More info to come over the next two days.

Isnt this same thing racecievers can do? I know that race racecievers were primarily for lineups, but at our local tracks they have a scoring person act as spotter and communicate on the radio immediately when there is a yellow and also say where on track. Works great.

The other thing is with this system I see alot of battery issues. Most midgets already fight that, this makes it worse.

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Only problem with RaceCeivers is that I guarantee you someone doesn't have theirs on, plugged in right, on the wrong channel or something of that sort, and you see them flying down the frontstretch and crashing into slower cars because they didn't have their radio on....

But hey, it's the tracks fault right?

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Double edged sword. Yeah they are going to be distracting. Perhaps just one instead of three. I assume they will change colors in line with the track lights. If you have several cars in front of you, and everyone goes yellow, I am certain a single light on the cage of all teh cars is going to get noticed. Also, drivers don't have to take their hands off the wheel to signal to those behind them. With that said, this adds costs. And for those guys that are struggling to buy a new RR tire, it is going to have an impact. Midget racing was, is, should be a place to learn their craft. It should be the series that attracts the low budget teams and new drivers. The high rollers need to move on up to make room for more low budget teams. this is one of the things that is wrong with Midgets today.

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To paraphrase the great philosopher, Thumper: "If you can't say anything nice, post it on IOW."
It's ugly: they can fix that
It's expensive: already covered (USAC-owned)
Put more lights around the track: as a traveling series I understand USAC's approach of having a system readily available. and where do you put more lights at tracks with no walls around the back stretch?
It'll drain the battery: not if it's only activated for yellows and reds.
It's distracting: not if it's only activated for yellows and reds.

It could save one driver's life: oh, yeah....

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Why not put em on some extra fence post and use em that way as extra track lights? And on the corner marker tires.

If they save one life, wouldn't it be worth the problems?

Hopefully they work better than their infield big screen tv!

To answer the raceciever comment, they are only as good as the people using them. Tracks require drivers to buy them and then they say maybe 3 words on it all night. They never say 1 till green (usually not important, but sometimes the flag men doesn't give the signal in time), rarely if ever say where a wreck is or that there even is a caution. And then the other problem is drivers not having them on, having it on the wrong channel, battery dieing, flying off the car, or headphones that short out under seatbelts

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Remember the fury which accompanied the introduction of roll cages (OK, OK, I am old, but surely some of you remember)? That seems to have turned out OK. I know it is winter and there isn't any racing going on right now, but perhaps we can adopt a wait and see attitude. From the initial reactions, I can see merit in this idea and also some merit in some of the issues which have been raised. Just hope that USAC will fully consider this from all sides, but I certainly support changes which make the sport safer. I know too many drivers to not support that.

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wow really that actually surprised me but i do believe it that some tracks only say little, most tracks i've been to which isn't much, but in several different states always kept you well informed. Out of all the tracks I raced or had raceciever while just spectating the most informed track was Waynesfield. Waynesfield and Dan Kelly usually always kept you informed 100% how many till green where a wreck was and if it was high, medium or low on the track. Also to comment on the lights I think they strictly only need to be on when there is a yellow or red flag. Don't have them on for greens or to show who is leading, one last thing is from every picture i seen they seem quite bright and distracting like most people said.

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First, let me start this by saying I am looking forward to you putting your "stuff" up for sale. See, by your comments degrading your own equipment and your comments degrading a sanctioning body for TRYING to do something tells me that you have no respect for the sport in any aspect of its existence. YOU are the kind of people this sports needs to ban from any portion of auto racing for all eternity.

What are you doing at this very moment to help out with the safety aspect? I have seen guys like T-Mez build some absolutely ugly cage add-on's in the wake of BC accident. Do I agree with it? I can see flaws, yes. Anyone can find a flaw in something. Thats subjective. What is not subjective is that THEY did not get online and blast a sanctioning body for making something like that mandatory. They had the initiative, the drive to do it themselves. Not to be selfish, not so they can brag to their buddies. Because they respect the sport, they respect the other drivers, the fans, and anyone else who was brutally hurt by the BC accident.

YOU get on the internet all high and mighty Joe saying things like "thats a real safety initiative. all another organization wants to do is put lights all over the place." (quote from another post about drug testing where you also try to make a point that USAC does not do this, and you were wrong) My question to you, have you any experience in this field? ARCA series uses these lights inside the cockpit, like USAC is suggesting, do you have the knowledge on how this dramatically reduced crashes involving cars 5 positions or further back? Do you know that when introduced many driver and team owners had bad things to say about it until they realized it works? Do you know anything at all?

How about we all reserve judgement, see how it works first. They may be just lights to you, but a roll cage is just steel, seat belts are just thread, and a HANS device is just a glorified neck brace.

If you do put your "stuff" up for sale, I'll even trade you for your "stuff" and your opinion... I have ocean front property in Montana for you.

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You beat me to the punch, but I agree 110% with everything that you said. For everybody who ever said BC strong, or Parked It for BC, or bought any of his merchandise after his death, improving the safety for USAC is part of his legacy. If you have negative words about improving safety, it is the same thing as kicking dirt on BC's grave.

If you remember back to the lengthy safety thread that was on this board a couple of months ago, BC's dad came on here stating that USAC was looking at a way to get quicker notification to the drivers. He also stated that USAC was looking at improving safety without rebuilding cars. Both of these lights will do exactly that.

I was sitting in the stands the night of BC's incident. It was a scene that I never hope to see again. If any of you have half a brain, you will thank USAC for the improvements and ask what else can we do. As the above poster stated, if you can't do that get the He!! out of our sport.

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I got nothing against it. I think it's good to get guys wohed up as quick as possible. I Just feel it's not a solution to the problem of getting more cage distance above the drivers heads and honestly, neither is the Burton bar, however that will help with foreign objects entering the cage.

Im not suggesting USAC ever make it mandatory, Im suggesting that chassis builders look at making the back of the cage higher creating more space above the drivers heads. The Hawk Chassis already has it to some extent.

Im not expert, But what I've seen suggest a need for it. and BC wasn't the only instance and this goes for all three classes.

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As you can see below, we kind of had the same idea 2 1/2-years ago at Perris Auto Speedway. Note, it was on April 1st.

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PERRIS AUTO SPEEDWAY WILL REQUIRE SPRINT CARS TO HAVE LIGHTS STARTING MAY 3rd!

(Perris, CA, April 1, 2014) Early this morning Perris Auto Speedway promoter Don Kazarian announced an elaborate plan that will save the track and others around the country millions of dollars. Beginning with the May 3rd race at the famous Riverside County clay oval all sprint cars will be required to have working lights

“I was lying in bed one night last December staring at the ceiling and trying to think of ways to save money,” Kazarian said from across his desk this morning. “I was thinking of all kinds of things and then it hit me. Our track is lit better than a majority of the tracks around the country, but man, those lights are expensive to turn on. I wondered how we could turn them off and be able to race in the dark. Then it was like a light switch went off in my head! We can require all sprint cars to install lights so we will be able turn off our high-priced lighting system.”

Kazarian was excited about his idea and could not sleep all night. At the crack of dawn, he called his golf buddy and former sprint car racer John Scott and asked if his company, Scott Engineering, could make a light bar for a sprint car. Scott immediately went to work on the project and had a prototype within a couple of weeks. The light bar looks just like the ones desert racers use and it will attach to the front of the roll cage. The unit weighs 41-pounds and is available now by calling Scott Engineering and ordering part number BS-4114,

“The light bar has three high beam lights mounted on it that should enable all drivers to see where they are going,” Kazarian said. “At least I hope it will enable the drivers to see where they are going. Just in case it does not work as well as I think, we are going to re-enforce the catch fences.”

Kazarian also said if the original lights are not bright enough teams will have to buy brighter bulbs. They will be for sale at the track for $74.99 each. Teams need to note and be aware that they can only use bulbs purchased from the track. Kazarian has more than enough bulbs to go around as he bought a semi load of them from a swap meet vendor in Tijuana.

The original idea and design only had the lights on the front, but then Scott planted an idea in Kazarian’s cranium.

“John suggested including the track’s signal lights, too,” Kazarian said. “We have signal lights on each straightaway and in the corners and they cost money to run as well. So, in the back of each light bar, we will have green, yellow and red lights. They will be controlled by an official in the press box. He will have the green on during racing conditions and when the yellow or red is needed, he will turn them on.”

Longtime sprint car racer and 2000 Oval Nationals champion Tony Jones, who has been contemplating a comeback, said the new light system is the thing that ensures that he returns to racing.

“Man, as many times as I was responsible for the yellow and red lights coming on in my career, this light bar may make it safer for me so I think I am coming back for sure now,” he said. Jones then commented on Kazarian, who he as has known since he was a child when his Hall of Fame racing father Bubby Jones drove for the Kazarian family in the 1970’s. “Donnie Kazarian is a genius. Next thing you know he will be turning the lights out in the bathrooms to save money.”

When Kazarian heard Jones comment regarding the bathrooms, it got his mind working again.

“Hey, I never thought of that, but that is a great idea,” Kazarian said. “Not only will turning the bathroom lights off save more money, but it can make some money, too. We can set up small stands next to the restroom doors and rent flashlights to people so they can see where they are going. I can get the flashlights from the same guy who sold me the bulbs for the sprint cars.”

Kazarian has shared his idea with several promoters around the country and he said they are very excited.

“The ones I have told about it think it is great,” he enthused. “There are several tracks in the country where they have already started selling off their light poles. This idea will definitely revolutionize racing and I can’t wait for May 3rd to get here to see how it looks and works out.” He then added with a wink and a smile, “Tell everyone to get ready to be a part of history and also tell them to have a very happy and fun April Fool’s Day.”

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Make the transponder have red LED lights in it. Make it so it is slim, less than the width of the cage and install it on the right front up right post angled towards the driver. With technology now days it would only have to be 2"-3" tall. They come on when the red switch from the track is turned on. Get with the companies making the transponders.

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I like the idea of the first three cars being identified. We folks that attend regularly and know the cars can keep track well enough. But, I can tell you as I continually bring new people to the track to encourage growth of our sport, the one thing they all mention is the difficulty of following the race as the cars spread out. Another suggestion would to have the green light blinking on car in the last transfer position qualification races.

A transponder sends a signal to the timing loop. It doesn't receive anything.

Can't wait for 2018 we will have rear view mirror's and turn signals. A Racceiver does the damn same thing. Just extra expense to the racers who have hardly enough to make it to the track now. Now everyone has a raceceiver and now that's not good enough.

Absolutely

USAC will supply the TracSAFE equipment to teams at each of the series’ national events throughout the 2017 season.

Interesting how some folks speculate on how another legend driver would feel about this. SMH...

its going to be distracting the green light if it stays on

I personally think the only way it'll work is if the only use the yellow light or red. If it stays on during the race it will be distracting.

Just like a photographers camera flashes, or fans standing at the fence, racers block out those distractions and focus on driving. USAC is trying something to improve safety which all of the nay sayers on this thread were crying for 4 months ago. This does not affect the fan in any way (actually kind of benefits the fan) or the guy posting that doesn't even run his car with USAC, so not sure why he is against it.
It is a safety innovation that everyone should embrace and atleast give it a try before coming up with all this speculation about how it's not going to work. Small step or not, a step is a step in the right direction to improve the safety for the drivers. Like I said no one has even seen it in action so not sure how you know it's not going to work.

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I don't think it's fair to say what someone who's past would or wouldn't have liked or wanted. I do know BC was for safety. Do know the Haans saved him once and I always seen him use all the safety tools available.

Do we know this would have saved his life? No. We do know what happened without it. If it would have made 1 second and 30mph slower speed difference. The outcome may have been different. We don't know for sure of anything.

Im of the if it saves one life or serious injury. Why not try it? It's not coming out of your pocket for once. Not sure about using them for position lights but could see where it would help some fans keep track.

How do you know it won't save your life someday if your wrecked and another car behind you sees the caution on this dash two seconds before he sees a track light.

I've litterally seen full speed or near full speed crashes a half a lap after a caution was thrown because guys didn't see the caution lights.

I have run into this issue as well. I have had people not return because they had no idea who was leading. Heck I have been watching my whole life and sometimes lose track of the leader.

I say give it a shot. If it doesn't work or people hate they will scrap it. Just like they did when they tried on board starters.

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And if we really want to get down to it the neck collar or donut whatever you want to call it has Been around a lot longer then hans.