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With everyone wanting to see USAC here or there & discussing car counts why not have a co-sanction USAC/BOSS at Limaland, Waynesfield & Millstream in 2017. I'm guilty of wanting to see USAC at The Field.

It would have to be two separate shows because of tire rules and sanction fees.
JMO

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Qualifying, Hoosier Mandated RR, Sanction Fees. USAC License. Over half those there last week wouldn't be there.

Nothing wrong with having one of each.

I got no problem with either, They are what they are, However what makes anyone thing the racing would be any better than last sunday in another format? Ninth to first and a twenty second to sixth?

That's exactly what I posted on another board about Sanctions. BOSS has the best sanction going about tire rules anyway. Monopoly anyone ? This was posted about what posters from another thread were saying right here on IOW. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

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Why would BOSS want to share their success with USAC?

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I think from a promoters standpoint this would be a tough one to make money on

Alright it was something said about someone would like to USAC at Millstream & someone else said why would you like to see only 25 cars. I just thought that maybe a co-sanctioned event you'd see double that. Rules could be waived for such an event.

I know what you mean Bill May as a lot of USAC drivers like to run for 1500 to win.

This is also why I like going to BOSS events, pretty much no rules. You go Aaron Fry.

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I've seen some pretty good USAC races this year. As a fan I don't care about tire ********. I just want to see a good race. I saw a good BOSS race at Millstream Sunday night. I think the 2 compliment each other more than compete. That is best for everyone.

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Better yet... No need for USAC, just have BOSS paying out a full USAC purse on a open weekend. LOL

. That would be a great thing to do since usac does not have a lot of sprint dates after sprint week save the usac sanction fee.and pay it out to the drivers.

Millstream already has a big paying show on their schedule. It's October 15th. Plenty of time for you keyboard jockeys to plan and show up.

I would love to see a BOSS Ohio Speedweek. Attica, Fremont, Lima, Millstream, The Field, Atomic, and Eldora.

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Why would a track want a USAC/BOSS co-sanction race when they can be a little selective on choosing their date and just have a BOSS race for a LOT less money?

A BOSS feature purse for 22 cars is only around $9,000 or so (not certain what their standard purse is since I couldn't find it on their website). A standard USAC feature purse for 22 cars is $21,450. That's an extra $12,000 plus.

Also, USAC mandates an insurance policy at their races with excess medical coverage of $200,000. I am sure that is a hefty extra expense as well.

Just run a BOSS race.

I have not yet been to a BOSS race but I will if I get the chance. Nothing at all against them but the reason you would run a USAC race over a BOSS race is cause you want the best of the best with the best equipment. It's really that simple.
I would think they are probably not as worried about each other as us fans might think. However, nothing but good could come from working together for the betterment of the sport. Racing is littered with sanction body conflicts that rarely produced anything positive

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With what has happened in our sport don"t the insurance sound pretty nice? Just run a Boss race I guess if someone get hurt I guess maybe at the next race Boss will pas the helmit :7:

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I guess you haven"t been to a USAC/MSCS race either Seems to be a pretty positive thing as its large car counts and dam good racing:8:

Get a S.T.I.D.A. policy from Robbie Rice! I don't race without it!

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I've seen BOSS at Limaland, Burg twice, Waynesfield, Portsmouth, Atomic and Millstream Boss Shows this year with plans for the Sprintacular. Car counts have averaged about 35 for these shows with the low being Portsmouth (Which was a great show and the fans ate it up on the Eldora Size track with no haulers in the infield. And it had 26 running 113mph laps. on the track with four classes that never took rubber.) I plan on Sprintacular and may skip the four crown in favor of Atomic.

I've seen USAC at Burg twice, LPS and Bloomington and the almost BOSS format BC show at Kokomo. with plans to see Burg 3 and possibly the four crown. I also caught the Midget Week show at Montpelier. All shows had good car counts so no problem there.

I like both and for different reasons. Yes, USAC carries the best with a couple full time racers and the purses are more in line for that. I love qualifying and the invert too.

However I love BOSS format. The more cars, the more racing you see. Locals can and often win. Even some who never ran non wing before run good and several from tracks that have run wing exclusively take the wing off and run. There are up and comers like Cooper Clouse, Chad Wilson and others. and long time vets like Dustin Smith and Steve Irwin. But they run what they brung. Most don't have the 60k Gaerte. In fact some run 360s and 305s with Kody Swanson often in the top five with a 360

I don't know the whole reason and certainly don't blame current USAC leadership, But for some reason USAC except Eldora just kinda dissapeared in Ohio and PA. Staab worked well over a year to get the Eastern Storm which has expanded and pays more now and now they even got a midget week with ARDC. Are there tracks in Ohio that could support USAC? CERTAINLY. But IMHO BOSS has non wing traditional racing growing and growing steadily. Mainly by guys being able to run some used tires and not have the monster motor, They even give the top two teams on each brand a free RR each race.

USAC needs growing feeder racing and BOSS is the epitome of it. While some guys are long time vets and many track champions included. There are young guns cutting their teeth and finishing up front on ability. It's a confidence builder. There's been several father and son teams both racing in it. And some brothers.


All I can say is go to both, I enjoy both. Nothing there saying that a track can't put up some extra $$$ for a BOSS race, But the starting rate of a USAC show i estimate to be over 25k. Something thats a serious consideration for a track, Especially ones that don't run regular Non Wing if at all.

Jim I think you need to re-read my post. I said NOTHING BUT GOOD could come from working together for the betterment of the sport. I've seen MSCS , not sure if I've been to a co-sanction race with them and USAC, but I certainly would embrace it

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Whats the BOSS format? Are the engines the same as USAC?

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Now that would be worth the flight over.:22:

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The format starts with four heats up to thirty two cars. at 40 it goes to five heats at 48, six heats.

The engine rule is open in BOSS.

Absolutely no comparison between boss and usac. Yeah boss has big car counts but 85 of those cars would struggle to make a usac show. As long as there is 15 cars at a usac show I can promise you that you will see much better racing because if you want to see the best traditional sprint cars you go to usac races.

I have seen just as good or better races at local or other series races than I have at usac shows at times

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40% of those cars may not be able to make a bigger USAC show, but those drivers sure as hell could. There's a lot talent that runs with BOSS week in and out. God knows if they ran at Kokomo it would just be the best thing since sliced bread, right?

I mean, nothing is stopping them from running at Kokomo, and it would make them better. I think the only driver in BOSS' top-five to make a USAC feature this year was Westerfeld. It takes better competition dropping in to keep him from dominating BOSS.
I'm sure level of competition and format is a big attraction to BOSS. Little guys like a group that isn't intimidating & a format that will put them up front sometimes. The straight draw does that. Tyler Courtney showed up Sunday in the 5, started 8th in his heat and won before being stuck back to 9th for the feature. He was so much faster, he was still able to win. I'm sure a team like that coming in to "cherry-pick" is not what anyone with BOSS is hoping for.
It's a great series & fits a particular niche perfectly. Sprint Car racing is better in the region because of it.

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So I've seen more passing and more passes for the lead in the last two BOSS races Atomic and Millstream than Passes made at the Entire field of the Miss USA gets in a year. And the racings not as good? sorry, ROFLMAO, You must be kidding.

Like the last poster said, Many of them cars wouldn't qualify within a second of top USAC teams but they're racers through and through and can run up front at USAC features if they make the field. People like Dickie Gaines, Dallas Hewitt, Kyle Simon, Matt Westfall, Mike Miller, Justin Owen, Fischesser and the list goes on and on. Give them a fair racing shot to make the show and they'll sometimes MAKE THE SHOW. Dustin Smith on the Large tracks is just scary fast

It's two different ball games but neither dictate how good the racing is, THE RACERS DO THAT and the huge difference is, You can buy out a team or put something together for under 30k and run and sometimes run up front if your a good racer with BOSS. 30K wouldn't buy the engine of a USAC top car. You can run used tires or other brands that cost less in BOSS vs a over thousand dollar tire bill a night in USAC. You can even choose a tire that isn't going to blow out after 8 laps on a abrassive track

Your 15 car format of best of the best is TWO HEATS AND A FEATURE. Sorry, not driving 160 miles and paying $25 for that vs a local or BOSS with three or four or even five and six heats at $12-16 bucks. I've seen two BOSS shows that had Super Late Models on the ticket as well. Portsmouth was one hell of a overall show at $12 dollars with 27 sprints, 19LM's 40 Mods and 25 bombers. Atomic had all that plus three more classes which I thought was a little too much

Let me ask you this, How many Rookies run for USAC? How many wingers take the wing off for it? Yeah, It's the best of the best and I love that. But the field five years from now needs a supply for it to even exist.

USAC has single car qualifying Which I love and a great Insurance policy, BOSS has a lot of racing which I also love, but as far as which I'd choose to attend, The answer's easy. The one that's closer :) The actual racing is done' on the track by Racers and I've seen AS GOOD at BOTH.

You get a little carried away. Some of the names you brought up are accomplished veterans that sometimes race with BOSS. But they're not regulars. And some names you mentioned aren't even close yet.
The equipment and format excuses are blown way out of proportion and are weak. Pat on the back to Dustin Smith for taking on other challenges this year and having good runs. I laugh when you make it seem as though you need a WoO-level team to compete in USAC and smaller teams just can't qualify. Please. Step up your game. Westerfeld even has a fast time in USAC.

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Also, Either USAC left Ohio/PA or the tracks left USAC (Save Eldora) for the past 20 years, Until Waynesfield and now BOSS there weren't even drivers coming from the region into USAC. Well there's proof, There's plenty of cars and racers that can and want to run NW. How does USAC get the best of the best? By as many tracks and cars running NW as possible. Meanwhile while five IN tracks are battling for saturday night NW shows often having USAC or MSCS if not both and all the tracks struggling for a full field. There are 35 NW sprint cars running at Mercer PA or PPMS, Or Atomic, Or Wayne County, or Fremont or Attica

ITS A GOOD THING for NW sprint racing and when enough interest is shown, Some of the tracks may pull the trigger and request a USAC date. IMHO it can only help USAC as sometimes they race some of the same tracks three, four or five times.

As far as Westerfeld, he's still learning but I only seen him win two of the Boss shows I've seen this year. Porsmouth and Burg, both with good cushions to lean on, He's won three times at Burg this year, But just one was Boss.

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Charles, what USAC races have you seen where there wasn't much passing? Gas City and Kokomo Sprintweek races had tons of passing and one photo finish, and one had a winner from the tail. Like I said I respect all drivers, but I will take a show where there is close racing no matter how many cars are there.I have seen great races where there were only 14 cars, and snoozers when there were 50. Have also seen it the other way around.I think both do a good job. This is a niche sport, and both cover a different part of it.

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I'd just be happy to see a non-wing sprint car race within 3 hours of where I live in Chicagoland. We've got a crate non-wing series near the IL/WI border, but no 360s or 410s anywhere in the area. There was one WAR series race 3.5 hours away at Jacksonville, and then Kokomo is the next best thing at 3 hours. I'd love to see USAC venture into Illinois just a bit for at least one weekend.

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We're trying to say the same thing (I Think) I love all the drivers, root for them all. I to have seen great racing with low counts. I said the racers make the race and the racing that happens every night.

BUT say, ATTICA, Atomic, Millstream were to book USAC over their regular show and 16 cars show, Are local wingers going to go NW to help fill the field and add racing vs say thier normal 30 car wing show? In Indiana its not normally a problem getting over 25-30 cars at a USAC show. But elsewhere, Without a co-sanction. They're not getting it, WAR, BOSS and a couple other series are feeders and have some guys that can run with USAC especially on their home tracks.

Maybe Im nit picking things, Not trying too. just pointing out the differences. I love both and even weekly shows. The best of the best have to come from somewhere. The more the merrier.

Chuck

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I'll leave the "my favorite series is better than your favorite series" game to others. I hope to attend and enjoy both in 2017!:6:

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Usually a co-sanctioned show is show up points only.

I heard the reason why they quit the Buckeye Nationals was because tracks were supposed to switch nights instead of the same tracks keeping the Friday & Saturday nights.

2 guys that weren't there were Mike Miller & Drew Radar (sp). Also Carmen Perigo.

What ever happened to the Beabers ?

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I have run full time with the BOSS series the last 2 seasons. I also normally run a handful of USAC shows throughout the year. Its not that mine or anyones equipment isnt good enough infact I made the USAC a main at Eldora in the spring by winning my heat race. It comes down to cost of racing. I have absolutely nothing against USAC i enjoy racing with them when i get the chance because racing against that group of cars only makes you better, But as the driver and car owner of my own equipment it does not make since for me to buy a membership for only running a few races a year therefore it cost me money to just enter a USAC race. With the BOSS series it does not cost anything to race whether you are a member or not, the payout through the field is good all the way back and you even get paid for finishing in a transfer spot in your heat race, its not much but it atleast pays for the alcohol you burned during the race. If you are top in 15 points it pays $50 dollars more to not make the a main and $50 more to just start in the A main. I think its great that USAC has started coming up with heat race sponsors to give back to the drivers or car owners. With the open tire rule of BOSS it gives us an option to buy a $180 tire vs. $240 if we want to. I have nothing against USAC and me along with many of the other drivers in the BOSS would love to race with USAC more if the opportunity was available but as almost all of the BOSS drivers own their own cars and work many extra hours at work or even a second job just to do something we all love and are passionate for the BOSS series is the best option for us. I feel both series are great things and i hope both of them continue to grow and sprint car racing in itself continues to grow.

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Cody, I have never met you,but Sunday at Millstream before your mishap, you were really flying. Hope you didn't tear you or the car up too bad. Good luck the rest of the year

Thanks Brent, took me a few days but I'm doing good now. We are trying to get something put together to finish the season

Anyone know when the last time USAC had less than 20 cars, cause I don't?

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21 http://usacracing.com/component/k2/i...n-thriller-hof

20 http://usacracing.com/component/k2/i...eason-at-eagle

Including a couple indiana races with 25 or less.

I think your taking what I said wrong. It's intimidating and difficult and without a co sanction or a area already rich with non wing. It's not that easy for USAC to go to new tracks. and have four heats like they do most shows in Indiana. Will most of the stars be there anyway? YES, Will fans not familiar with them or at least Non Wing racing come to see them? Can or is the racing just as good without the big count, CAN BE.

Not badmouthing anyone, I know everyone works hard to make what happens happen.

What you don't have so much in Boss is people moving here form OK, CA, AZ, AL, SD, Coming up from NM, I love that about USAC. I feel sprintweek and a few other shows are about as good as it gets.

There is a hell of a lot of variety from the region OH, PA, IN, WV in Boss, All getting action on different tracks, Which can only be a good thing. For awhile there there were a few father and son teams racing one another and a couple brothers. It's a series of small teams, most having full time jobs who all meet together and race at different tracks about four times a month.

I love the fact I got choices now, For years there were non non wing options in ohio to go see and a minimum 6hr round trip to see USAC was necessary for everywhere but Burg, Now I got some good shows to see within a couple hours several times a year.

Like I said, I choose which is closer, The racing can be great at either.