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Only 12 non-wing cars pre entered week away.
Any one heard about more cars coming?
Guess there is only 15 wing cars!
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There will be plenty of Winged cars, but WoO teams will be penalized if they compete since they removed their sanction. As far as Non-Wing it's a 11-12 hour drive for most Indiana teams. Logistics is the toughest part for smaller teams! At least 2 days off work and 4 days away from home minimum.

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I looked at going to the event myself, but I was looking at having to spend $1000+ just in hotels (they don't allow camping at the track), travel and admission tickets. This guy can't afford that and I was just going to spectate.

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I fly out of Sioux Falls on my way to Smackdown on Monday 22nd
thinking about checking this out!?

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I think they're will be plenty of cars in each. Thought I seen both TK and BK are running both. wouldn't be suprised if Courtney Bacon and others don't do both.

As far as WoO I think this only affects the top ten in points. Not sure what the penalty is

Where did you see this entry list and when was it dated

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https://register.badlandsmotorspeedway.com/

Sure hope ur correct on the non wing side :8::27:
See u at Smackdown!

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The World of Outlaws punishing those for running an Outlawed race. . .

It's a "WING THING" LOL!

World of Outlaws are running at Angell Park with IRA. None of the guys running for WoO points will be at Badlands.

I understand WoO didn't want to sanction a first year race if it wasn't their format. However if Badlands are willing to pay a purse much bigger than the normal WoO purse shouldn't the WoO be happy regardless of format?

Goes deeper than format. I think there was some disagreement on pit entrance fees and other things as well.

Outlaws wanted complete control!
Chuck wanted it his way!

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$250,000 purse, $50,000 to win either side (wing/non-wing), minimum $1000 to make the A-main, $1000 quick time bonus. Extra $25,000 to win both sides of the show. According to the track, these are guaranteed payouts regardless of car count. Who can win both? In the absence of BC, Brady Bacon would be my current top pick to double up. Does Rico run USAC 410?

According to Badlands 8/14/16:
"To put to rest some rumors. THE PAYOUT WE HAVE LISTED HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CAR COUNT. EVERYTHING IS BEING PAID OUT. We simply built the original payout assuming we'd have 64 winged cars and 50 non wing cars. There is no minimum, no maximum car count. This is the Inaugural Gold Cup, and we had to build a payout system and had to start somewhere. This is all guaranteed money."
http://www.badlandsmotorspeedway.com/driver-payouts/

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Bacon's in the Hoffman Car NW but is listed as registered in the 99. No BK listed on the Non wing register but I seen him post he is doing both I'd say that entry list quit updating a week after it was posted.

Boespflug's going and a couple other teams I know of are.

As far as the wings, OK, The top ten or fifteen WoO cars won't be there. They're off racing for Ten K. I know where everyone else will have a shot at some real $$$ and thats Badlands.

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The purse is way top heavy. From the middle on back, the pay is not that spectacular for either wing or non-wing.

Badlands is trying to do some damage control. Why would you ever put a car number on an entry form unless that was the minimum needed to guarantee the purse.

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I don't know, but this is the same guy who went to a neighboring track (not the one he operates), in an neighboring state (IA) earlier this year and prior to the A-main went to the tower to give them $10K to add to the winner's check. Doubt he worries much about damage control.

http://www.rockrapidsspeedway.com/news/?i=40225

I believe when this race purse was announced it stated the non wing purse was based on 50 cars, 64 wing. Maybe they've changed their tune now tho.

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I can't wait.50 grand to win! Thats ten usac wins.:18: I'm pretty sure most guys running with usac have never even raced for that kinda cash. ***** going to be awesome

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Yes they have changed their tune. WoO was simply trying to keep things in perspective. The purse was not guaranteed until after the WoO withdrew. The cost of pit passes was an issue, which those have now also dropped $20.00 per person. Remember, WoO platinum members have their own pit pass deal at each event. Control of the event. Badlands wanted 100% control, no presence from WoO officials at all. No outside media presence, no dirtvision. No outside WoO venders without paying fees to Badlands. The list goes on. Many things the WoO contracts in to their shows. Badlands wanted nothing more than the WoO drivers, and the WoO name, but did not want to pay any type of sanction fee, or any other part of the sanctioning deal. Even Knoxville and Eldora do not have the demands for the WoO that Badlands was trying.

You can say what you want, but the fact is Badlands seems to have issues with everyone that tries to race sprint cars in that area. Not an isolated issue, or two, but everyone. Now, as someone else said, they are in damage control mode.

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What they have explained (in their words above) is that there is actually some math involved in the process of determining and advertising a purse payout schedule. For them to announce the (proposed, initial) payouts, they did the math by splitting the guaranteed winged payout over a fictional number of 64 cars and the guaranteed non-winged over 50 cars. They are still paying the same amount, but obviously if there aren't 64 and 50 cars (exactly), the math comes out different. In other words, if there are fewer cars, the payouts per position will be larger since they are paying out the same amount!!!! I seriously hope they get a USAC midget show at Badlands next year.

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There was a great line on Hoseheads about Badlands. " ...When one of my best friends, who has been married and divorced 4 times, starts complaining about his new girlfriend being a b*&ch, I say "did you ever consider that it might be you?"

Can you imagine if this race was at kokomo?.... Just saying

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There would be less moaning from the Knoxville crowd.

+1. And all the issues have 1 common denominator.

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TMEZ Dutcher 17gp for Badlands and Smackdown.

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Not true at all. The WoO is responsible for this mess as they agreed to terms with BAdlands last APRIL and then changed their mind (with some pressure from Craftsman) at the last moment. Glad Badlands stood up to them. The payoff has not changed at all just read the Badlands page and you will understand it is NOT based on minimum or maximum cars but GUARANTEED MONEY. One driver was suspended for shoving an official that is not everyone. Chuck Brennan might be lightening rod to some but he has awakened area tracks to decent payoffs for weekly racers and it is only going to get better.

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From the way I read it, WoO and ultimately WRG was unhappy with a lot of what was proposed. I don't know the full story and wont speculate. However, if you say you're going to sanction a race, don't pull out a week and a half ahead of time because you're unhappy with the format and whatever else.

You wouldn't get married and then decide you want to get to know your wife afterwards so why would you commit to an event and a track and have everyone from fans to the drivers/teams make plans just to get a divorce from it a week and a half prior?

That said, Brennan may just have the questionable character that he's rumored to have but I do know that he's putting up a ton of money while some tracks are struggling to stay open. Even if some people don't like him I'm sure he'll still draw more than the 17 cars WoO drew last night.

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Seems like the disagreement with WoO isn't about money. Money appears to be no obstacle to this guy and if it were, he could afford to eat the cash and go along to get along.

When WoO was at Badlands in July there was what appeared to be a disagreement up in the booth when during the A-Main pace laps, Johnny G announced that there would be provisional starter at the back of the field. To everyone's surprise it wasn't one of the WoO guys, it was T-Mac, a regular BMS 410 driver. As Johnny explained it, there is a rule that if WoO is running on your track on your regular 410 night, the track can allow a provisional for one of its drivers, he seemed surprised that this was in the rules and mentioned he'd not seen a track ever use this provisional. I wonder if the issue with WoO has more to do with the format/rules/suspensions (T-Mac is now suspended for some kind of confrontation with the track prep guy at Badlands) than anything else.

I don't know Brennan, but I get the idea that he is not afraid to stand on his principles, even if he ends up looking like the bad guy. I don't think he allows himself to be pushed around by people and organizations that think they are superior in some way. Whether that is the banking industry, the sprint car sanctioning bodies, drivers, or the track promoters who feel he is stepping on their territory.

Whatever the issue, there is a boatload of his money and a couple of Gold Cups on the line and somebody is taking them home. Should be a completely insane weekend of racing at the Badlands!

Williams Grove uses that rule nearly every year for the National Open! They get 2 provisionals in years past plus the 2 WoO provisionals for a 28 car starting field.

Seems to me the outlaws are keeping their guys from a chance to make a lot of money!

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Being going here all season long and money is not nor will it be any problem going forward. It seems that the problem with the WoO had to do with pit passes, online viewing and race procedure. The WoO wanted everything their way in terms of how the race would be run and Brennan has his own online viewing group. Brennan and company figure that this is their big race and would run it the same way they have run all their races this season. And, for the most part, the racing has not been too bad this year. The deal with McCarl, while unfortunate, was rather stupid as McCarl was crabby about track conditions (isn't it the same for everyone out there?) and wound up shoving a track official. Sometimes you have to learn to just shut up and go.

Car count will be pretty good as I know of others that will be there that are not on the pre-entered list yet. Who knows? Maybe with the WoO pulling out, more cars will enter figuring they have a better chance of doing something.

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Maybe I'm just dumb and naive, but I thought the whole point of the Outlaws was to allow drivers to come and go and go as they please, for instance the Buckeye OUTLAW Sprint Series says it plainly in their rule book.

"In the true “outlaw” fashion, any driver from any series is welcome to run with BOSS as long as they meet the requirements in the following rules. Conversely, BOSS will NOT penalize drivers for participating in other events."

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Well, like I said, JG seemed to be surprised the track was using this rule to get T-Mac into the field and he didn't mention anything about there being more than one provisional available to the regulars. If I remember, it may have even held up the start while this was being ironed out.

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Yes they have raced for a lot more, it was called the Eldora Million. I think it paid $125,000.00 to win.

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And then a few years after that, they had the Mopar Thunder, which also paid $50,000 and was won by Kevin Huntley.

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Pretty sure it paid $200,000 to win. Think Dickie Gaines got $100,000 for third place.

I was just reading an article about the Mopar Million and you are correct. The Wild Child made 200,000 with the victory, and it paid 10,000 to just start. 138 cars showed up.

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They capped the Mopar Million as far as entries go if I'm not mistaken. I think there would have been more.

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And Stevie Smith made $150,000 for 2nd place.

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Yep, just unloaded in Sioux Falls!!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...n/DSC_0030.jpg

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I thought it was that if an Outlaw team took a provisional than a local could take a provisional. If all of the Outlaws made the show, then no locals could take a provisional. Like was said earlier, there have been Provisionals in WOO for years. You see it come in to play in the sprint car hot beds. I just think that it was always a one for one situation. If Johnny Gibson was confused, it had to be a one off situation. He has been with them for a very long time.