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Blueracer123 6/20/16 11:23 PM

Big LM news, affect on Sprints
 
So anyone see the big late models news from Eldora? http://www.nationalspeedsportnews.co...e-model-dream/

Just wondering what people think about a closer look at testing sprint car tires.

Tim Clauson 6/20/16 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueracer123 (Post 449207)
So anyone see the big late models news from Eldora? http://www.nationalspeedsportnews.co...e-model-dream/

Just wondering what people think about a closer look at testing sprint car tires.

USAC has tested several A main winning tires this year.

arctic monkey21 6/20/16 11:49 PM

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I'll let others weigh in on sprint car tires, but wow. For those not familiar with dirt late models, this suspension will knock Bloomquist out of the World 100 in September. It would be kind of like going to the Knoxville Nationals knowing that Donny Schatz wouldn't be in the field.

JDK222 6/21/16 12:24 AM

We had to give samples at Eldora after the win.

Nate 6/21/16 4:43 AM

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Originally Posted by arctic monkey21 (Post 449209)
I'll let others weigh in on sprint car tires, but wow. For those not familiar with dirt late models, this suspension will knock Bloomquist out of the World 100 in September. It would be kind of like going to the Knoxville Nationals knowing that Donny Schatz wouldn't be in the field.

Not surprising, he's been busted for soaking his tires multiple times. Won the same event last year and came up light at the scales.

As for testing and these violations, it should serve as an example to all drivers whether you're running sprints, mods, late models or something else. A 3 month ban, there went any hope at a championship for any of them and they're going to miss a lot of "Crown Jewel" events (World 100, Firecracker, etc) while they're at it.

hoscalecody 6/21/16 5:37 AM

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Thing I don't get is why people don't want to follow the rules just to win I don't see how you would get the enjoyment winning when you're breaking rules as the enjoyment winning and being 100% legal. If you have to cheat to win then that must mean your not good enough to win even if you're Bloomquist but I know i'm going to get the response of "almost everyone cheats so why not."

nathans1012 6/21/16 6:35 AM

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They still got go to go through the appeals process. And it wasn't because Bloomquist was soaking tires. He or a crew member used a tire that was had the HOOSIER letters taken off after the 2nd b-main scramble. I noticed this when the tire was put on as it happened right in front of me. Out of the 5 drivers he had the smallest fine at just over $6K and is most likely to get his suspension over turned. We will see in a few weeks how this all plays out. you would be surprised at how many late model guys are soaking tired. Probably about 80-90% of them are doing it in some way shape or form.

Blueracer123 6/21/16 7:19 AM

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Originally Posted by nathans1012 (Post 449219)
They still got go to go through the appeals process. And it wasn't because Bloomquist was soaking tires. He or a crew member used a tire that was had the HOOSIER letters taken off after the 2nd b-main scramble. I noticed this when the tire was put on as it happened right in front of me. Out of the 5 drivers he had the smallest fine at just over $6K and is most likely to get his suspension over turned. We will see in a few weeks how this all plays out. you would be surprised at how many late model guys are soaking tired. Probably about 80-90% of them are doing it in some way shape or form.

The way I read the article the fine is a loss of all race winnings plus a $1,000 fine. Which would explain his lower fine than everyone else since he didn't make the feature.

nathans1012 6/21/16 8:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueracer123 (Post 449221)
The way I read the article the fine is a loss of all race winnings plus a $1,000 fine. Which would explain his lower fine than everyone else since he didn't make the feature.

Yep that's how I took it as well. Guess will see how the appeals process works out for the five drivers.

scottyCbus 6/21/16 9:02 AM

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If you cheat and break the rules and get caught then you deserve what you get when it happens! Karma can bit you in the A## sometimes!

arctic monkey21 6/21/16 9:11 AM

Re: Big LM news, affect on Sprints
 
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Originally Posted by Nate (Post 449216)
Not surprising, he's been busted for soaking his tires multiple times. Won the same event last year and came up light at the scales.

As for testing and these violations, it should serve as an example to all drivers whether you're running sprints, mods, late models or something else. A 3 month ban, there went any hope at a championship for any of them and they're going to miss a lot of "Crown Jewel" events (World 100, Firecracker, etc) while they're at it.

The suspension only covers events under some sanction owned by the World Racing Group. 3 of the 5 I believe run full time with the Lucas Oil series which they should still be eligible to race. The biggest penalty to those 3 at least is missing the World 100. Considering the crowds there, the loss in potential merchandise sales alone could be a big hit.

Charles Nungester 6/21/16 9:43 AM

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The first race was when the first two cars met.
The first time someone cheated, Was the second time.

Jonr 6/21/16 7:59 PM

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Wasn't there an issue in the 80's/90's, where the Late Model association said everyone had to run a tire that was stamped 13", and one of the tire manufacturers started making a 14" tire with a 13" stamp?

It seems that drama just follows the LM guys around.

Stevensville Mike 6/22/16 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonr (Post 449262)
Wasn't there an issue in the 80's/90's, where the Late Model association said everyone had to run a tire that was stamped 13", and one of the tire manufacturers started making a 14" tire with a 13" stamp?

It seems that drama just follows the LM guys around.

I can remember an old interview/story with the late Neil Bonnett on tires. He said that NASCAR would have a serial number molded on each tire to check them back in his day. All of his tires always had the correct serial numbers on them. They might not have been the correct tires, but they had the correct serial numbers on them.

Not to promote cheating, mind you, for it has always gone on and always will, but when the sanctioning body starts lowering the boom on guys like Bloomquist and Jimmy Owens, one has to start thinking that this could backfire in their faces. Teams check/police each other for the most part and a hush-hush "agreement" is always there, such as traction control in sprints. Bloomquist and Owens could fire a volley back and everything might go sideways. Sometimes, a behind the scenes agreement with the offenders and the rest of the racers might work a little better to prevent dime dropping. This isn't a NASCAR-type penalty wherein you sit down a crew chief for a few races. These guys are sitting down the heavy hitting drivers. These are the equivalent of Jimmie Johnsons and Kevin Harvicks, not Carl Long, as NASCAR so heavily threw a book at years ago.

Just an opinion, of course. Watch out what you do. You might get way more than you expect out of it.

Charles Nungester 6/22/16 12:41 AM

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Hell the reason Napcar has Templates to begin with, I someone built a car three quarter scale, went out and whooped the field and nobody noticed until after the race.


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