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:shoutTHE 370 CI ALL ALUM. FI. ENGINE THAT SELLS FOR $9600 OR LEASE FOR $5600 A YEAR IF THE GET IT IN A SERIES! WILL TEST IN A SPRINT CAR IN CA. IN OCT. THIS WILL CUT THE COST OF RACING BY 40%! INDIANA NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS ENGINE! IT MAKES OVER 700 HP WITCH IS PLENTY!:checkered:

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That is exactly what we need to keep cost down:thumb Everybody trying to run these outlaw engines for a regular non wing show that pays $1,300 to win and $100 to start every weekend needs to stop.
The DT-3 tire rule hasn't worked (and sucks in my opinion) and I think there shouldn't be any cockpit adjustable shocks either @ $450 a piece.

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Yeah, instead a guy can buy several sets of shocks at a higher cost!!

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Is it a spec motor where only an authorized builder can rebuild it?

If it proves reliable,I think that is a great alternative to a series that uses a specified engine size.
(358/360)

I believe it would be fine to compete with in Indiana, but to mandate it will be hard because of all of the cars and engines running right now. If only a certain company or builder can rework it, I would think the back log would get pretty big in the middle of the season.

It's a shame that it isn't a 410 that made 790 plus because then it would possibly be a great alternative to what is running right now.

Who knows, maybe it is already the right combination that will prove to be very competitive. If it is,that is great news; but I wouldn't mandate it because the lack of rules is what I feel makes the sprint racing scene as big as it is In Indiana. You can basically run whatever you want in Indiana.

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The engine rules are different than USAC's at most Indiana tracks?

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Duke you know as well as most that Yes this would be a good deal and save money,BUT!

Everybody has high dollar engines or builds them will be against a deal like this.

Many series have tried the crate motors and 9 to 1.
But to get all the sprint guys to change would be tough.

Just like the spec tire. I was suppose to be a tire that lasted 3 or 4 races and was fairly cheap. Look where that has gone. How many spec tires are priced the same.

Adjustable shocks are ok if the adjusters are out side on the shock only. That way only the team can adjust them prior to the race and under an open red.

If somebody started a series that paid well and use rules like above them maybe a wholesale change would be made. But for the money sprints run for now local and national change would be tough.

:dologob:

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How about some more info? Tough to rum on alky with 9:1 but 10K for a years worth of motor is a far cry from what is currently being spent. I'm all ears...

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I agree, when racers are forced to save money in one area they tend to spend way more than is necessary in other areas. I have seen this in a spec engine Latemodel series a couple of years ago. Penske shocks were all the rage for a season...then they clamped down with a shock rule. It's a never ending chase.

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I agree, it could be an "ointment" for an aching checkbook, but it comes with some negatives. Most folks really don't like "spec" anything, give them some basic guidelines, let them do their own work, or at least whoever they want to do it, KISS, and it could fly. One thing about it, if you're gonna run dirt, in Indiana, you already know, it's not going to be a hosspower race, it's gonna be who can manage the throttle the best,and set-up, extra hoss's helps get you outa trouble sometimes, but it can also be a disadvantage at times. I think folks mostly like to be able to choose what they run, tires included, and if they make the wrong choices, it's their decision, not mandated like most of nicecar is, how far would a gear ratio mandate for any track fly? Money is not always gonna win, but the lack of it, can sure put a crimp in where you finish. Bob

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How about simply cutting the tire size in half where this motor could run with anything most nights?

That makes too much sense. Nevermind

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The even bigger problem would be to get all the tracks in your area to go with the same set of rules. If this engine was to get a green light then you are going to have some tracks decide not to run them therefore making carowners/drivers and fans make choices, we do not want to make.

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Anybody remember the 'Stock" 350, carb class Sprints that was tried a "few" years back, that was almost as dangerous as driving a 56-57 Chevy, with dual quads, could really get you in trouble, just when you needed it, the engine lost it's prime, it didn't take me long to learn, that when you pulled out to pass, have plenty of room, or don't pull in that other quad, cause it was kinda hard to get that foolish look off your face, when the car you were passing, didn't get passed, you had sloshed all the fuel to one side, and were going backwards. It's hard to control the costs of anything competitive, I take that back, it's impossible, no matter what it is, someone will be willing to break the bank to win, then disappear, and it's the little guy that keeps the wheel turning, without them, there would be no car counts, that would draw fans to watch, and pay the purses. Bob

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I believe right now the tracks in Indiana do all have the same rules, aren't they all open at this point. That would mean these motors would be legal to run. Also, I would be interested in the torque of these motors. I am one that still believes that once you hit 750 hp on these Indiana tracks you have more than enough hp. I watched a car qualify 14th at border wars at Gas City a couple of years ago with less than 700hp, 650hp would have been pushing it in this car.

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You are right... That is way to easy of a solution......

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There are no weight rules either. Same for traction control.(How about digging up that dead horse for a few more whacks)No wheel width rules either. There are guys running 14",15", and 16" LR Wheels(Sometimes a RR on the LR to even up stagger) and there are guys running
16",17",18" and even 20" RR wheels. All of which is fine in my opinion.

There are basically no engine rules at the tracks in Indiana. Bloomington either has has a twin cam or a no turbo rule. I don't remember which.

There are several different combinations running today. There are 305's,355's,
360's,377's,406's,410's, and 430's. Some steel blocks and some wet sump's.

I don't know of anyone that has had their engine pumped after a win. Nor do I believe they should.

The only reason there is a tire rule is because Hoosier pays the tracks.

When everyone on Hoseheads or in other areas are complaining about the costs of 410 racing, they are talking about the winged cars. I'm not saying that motors are cheap, but there are alot of alternatives because there are no rules.

It works itself out. The less rules and restrictions means less division amongst the competitors. Look at the tire rule. I know some people,not many, but some who won't run a track other than an open tire track because they don't want to switch back and forth. Same goes for guys who run DT3 tires only. Before if these guys wanted to do something else they would, but now they might not go if they have to switch from one compound to another.

USAC has to have the rules they do because without them the costs would sky rocket even more. Although; you don't have to run a 410 or even an aluminum motor. I think the rules they have don't allow you to have a motor larger than 410 and I believe it has to be a dry sump(Although I doubt they would send you home if it wasn't).

The opposite is true for the Indiana scene and the beauty is that there aren't any/many rules to follow and that leads to alot of freedom to compete when and where you would like with basically whatever you would like.

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How about tracks replacing one of the support series with a spec engine series. Some could use it for a stepping stone to the 410 class. Or you could just choose this class to have fun and drive a sprint car not costing you as much as the full blown cars. Two sprint car classes at our local tracks would be great to see.

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When I was a young lad, My father used to take me to the track (Early 70s) Namely LBurg but I distinctly remember a guy with a limp (Somebody give me his name) Checking tire width. To say this would be new is way off the mark

They say you can't put all that HP down but I'll be damned if I haven't seen it several times like last years MSCS Burg race. Take the search for HP out of the equation and leave it to setup and driving.

Somebody said the wider wheels/tires makes the cars more stable, How come there are more flips than ever?

Chuck, who probably should keep his trap shut on this, I have no dog other than wanting to see as many people able to do this sport as possible and I don't want a 305-360-358 class. I want a class that is the top that any engine with a little balls could compete in.

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Charles,

Your not trying to say "No Wimps Allowed" are you?

With Respect,
Don

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I made no mention of wings Don but my preference is non winged. Been quite awhile since I seen a 360 winged race. Then they were even more uneventful and less passing than the 410.

I could however see em winged and I believe ASCS has a lot of success with some strict rules on cost

I just remember a lot of guys with not a lot of money running sprints. This is becoming rarer and rarer. If you could put on damn good shows in this class with 10.000 dollar motors, Why should you have to have 40+ grand in one to run up front?. Taking the bite out is the only even way to control motor cost. If that 900hp engine can't get you around any faster than a 750hp then why spend all the extra?

Drivers, setups and noise are what make this sport. I don't care if you got a 700 CI engine or a 250 CI if it is exciting and in some cases people being hooked up and haulin is becoming as boring as their winged counterparts.

What makes a show non boring to me? Passing and running three wide not a car winning by half a lap even though they earned it fair and square
Chuck

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This is exactly what I have been thinking. Two sprint classes would be awesome. The few car owners out there that still hire drivers could have another avenue to scope out talent, and like Kevin said, the guys who want to drive sprint cars but don't have the $$$ would have a cheaper option.

I don't know what formula would work best, but what about a class that:

Didn't allow aluminum motors or fuel injection

Didn't allow any cockpit adjustments (shocks, weight jackers)

Didn't allow sway bars (they're just more money and equipment to tear up)

Made you run your heat and start the feature on the same tire

I'm sure there are more things you could add that would cut costs, but I think a class like this would really work. Not sure, but with these rules you could field a sprint car for roughly the same money as a modified, I'm guessing. It would also give extended life to teams' old frames and spares.

Any other ideas?

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where is the info for purchasing one of these?????????

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CALL TOMMY HUNT I CA. CHEVY WILL TAKE CARE OF THE ENGINE!:checkered: THERE IS MORE 360CI. THEN 410 IN THE USA! WHY DO YOU THINK YOU NEED A 410 WITH OUT A WING?

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Drivers, setups and noise are what make this sport:applaud::applaud::applaud::applaud:

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NO!

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you need a sprint car club in ind. For all tracks same rules!

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LET ME TELL YOU WHEN TOYOTA COMES IN WITH THERE 410 YOU WILL ALL BE CRYING!:checkered:

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most can't afford 1 class!

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The reason there are more flips today is because guys aren't afraid to put a wheel or nerf bar into someone or someone runs overs someone else's wheel. You see very few cars crash today because they biked up.

A spec series doesn't make any sense to me. By having rules then you must have someone to enforce the rules and check all of the cars to make sure they are legal.

So you purchase or lease this motor, but then you run for a lesser purse. On top of that, you will then start pulling the bottom level cars from the regular field. Instead of having 30 cars, now you have 23-28 regular sprints and 15-18 spec sprints. I'm not saying some guys who run a mini or micro won't just step over, but you will lose some regular cars.

Lets say you are leasing the motor. That is $5000 plus and then you buy a used roller that costs $4500-$5000. You are roughly $10,000 in plus you need spares. Spares will run another $1500-$5,000.

You can buy someones complete car and sometimes all of the spares for between $15,000 and $20,000. Is $5,000 really the difference between running a sprint or not? With that money you have your choice of running 6 different tracks in Indiana. If the motor does perform as well as they say, then you can just take that $10,000 car and run the regular tracks anyway and for the same purse.

As far as saving money on the shocks and parts, come on; Kevin Briscoe, Jon Stanbrough, and Dave Darland all kick ass because they are great drivers, not because of the 6 clicks they put in the left front. I'm not saying great shocks don't help, but those guys all won before adjustable shocks. They help, but drivers win races.

The common refrain is:"We need to put the race back in the drivers hands". As long as there is a gas pedal in a sprint car, it will always be in the sole of the drivers foot. Meaning that the guy who can control his car the best on any given night, 9 out of 10 times is the winner.

I have to believe that Indiana is the toughest place anywhere in the country to weekly race a sprint car. With the rules(or lack of)abundance of tracks and availability of cheap second or third hand parts, It also thas to be the most affordable state to race a sprint car.

The fall out from all of this unfortunately also results in extremely low purses. Adding another class at a cheaper purse runs the risk of losing what little foot hold teams have now in terms of purse structure. If a track sees that it can get 20-25 cars and pay 75% of the current purse, the current cars could quickly become expendable and while you have lowered your costs by a few dollars, you have also lowered your purse by 25%.

I could be wrong and none of that would happen, but promotors are always looking for cheaper shows that can make the same buck.

Indiana has been in an extended period of being blessed by great racing. Todays races are very good, but we see so many that great has become routine.

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YOU DON'T GET IT! GET RID OF THE 410 HIGH DOLLAR ENGINE THAT YOU RACING FOR $1000 TO $1500 IN IND. AND RACE A ENGINE FOR $5600 A YEAR! NOT TWO CLASS'S ONE COST SAVING CLASS WITH OVER 700 HORSE POWER!:redflag:

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Here's my opinion... the idea about cutting costs in racing is great, but... let's face it... RACING is expensive. You will never change that, no matter what is done.

It is pretty simple really... those that have it($$$)... Will spend it. Those that don't... Will lose the house.

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I do get it. If I own a current motor, I will now have to find a buyer in a down market. I lose quite a bit of money and now I am stuck with an engine platform that if it breaks, I will have to depend on Chevy to get it back to me before the next race. It won't just cost $5,600 if it breaks. No way Chevy wouldn't have me pay to repair the motor or switch it out. Something I could have fixed myself is now something I have to pay someone else to fix and wait on them to get it back to me.

As far as the Toyota thing, I'm sure they will have motors, but their effect on the local scene will be minimal, just like MoPar. The Indiana deal is self governing and self leveling.

I say that if it is good then let it run as another alternative, but making it mandatory is a bad situation. The reason I said if it was a 410 it would be better is because if they built a 410 motor for about $15,000 that made good horsepower then you could just phase out the other motors and it would self govern.

Everyone keeps saying that we need to get rid of the $40,000 motor. Why not just but it two years from now when it is a $17,000 or 4 years from now when it is a $13-14,000? There are very few guys in Indiana buying new motors every year and even fewer spending
$40,000.

By the way, no tracks in Indiana go strictly by USAC'S rules.

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The WoO have said no Toyotas & no to the new Chevys

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do you own a sprint car?

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is this who to contact about these engines? if so can you pm with info??? thanks..

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Starting with the motors from a drivers stand point. Going from 850hp to 700hp. is going to be like kissing your sister. From a owners, why would i want to own one of those motors when i have two 410's. And now the Shocks. Wouldnt you rather own 1 shock for the left rear or 4 to 5 different shocks. That is just one corner for the car. Having 8 adj shocks 4 for the car and 4 for spares. Compared to 16 min for std shocks. Not everyone was meant to race a sprint car. And our sport that we all love so much costs money. Lots of money. Oh and if you cut the rear tire width we can still build cars that go just as fast and use 900 horses. You and never have enough motor.

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OK TAKE A LOOK AT HOW MANY SPRINT CAR OWNERS HAVE HIRED DRIVERS! MOST CARS ARE FAMILY OWNED AND DRIVIN BY THERE KIDS! LOOK AT THE FOX BROTHERS THE HAVE WON A LOT OF RACES IN IND. AND LOSING MONEY EVERY TIME! IF THE SPEED DON'T KILL YOU THE COST OF THE PARTS WILL!!!!!!!!!!!:checkered:

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WHAT TRACKS IN IND. HAS A ENGINE RULE?:checkered:

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Charles,

Please reread, I said Wimps not Wings

Thanks,
Don

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Here are Bloomington & Kokomos engine rules lol

-No overhead cam type motors will be allowed. Only those cylinder heads having no more than one exhaust and one intake valve per cylinder will be allowed.