4 Corner Hoosier What Track/Sanctioning Bodies
 

I started a new thread because the old one was getting a little lengthy, my question is which tracks and sanctioning bodies have committed to this rule. I have looked at MSCS, Bloomington, Putnamville and Lawrenceburg web sites. The only one the specifies all 4 corners need to be Hoosier's is MSCS, I found nothing on Bloomington and nothing on Putnamville and Lawrenceburg's was updated today that Right Rear is Hoosier Spec and the other three are open. So what is the truth.

http://lawrenceburgspeedway.com/details.php?dID=11

That's great news about Lawrenceburg changing their mind! Money isn't everything! Tracks need cars! I feel myself, along with all the opposing views led to this decision! Maybe the rest will change their minds too! Sometimes it feels good to stand up for what you believe in! Bloomington has it posted on their Facebook, but not on the Rules on their website. Maybe they will change their minds too! Putnamville was the first to jump on according to people in the know, but have yet to post anything. Let's hope they keep it open on 3 corners too! Maybe MSCS will be the only one.

David
It is pretty obvious that the tracks going with this rule do not have the guts to post it beyond a Facebook blurb. If this was such a great thing for the racers would you not think they would be proud and tell everyone?

I'm just a fan and don't like it! If u wanna kill car counts at your track then go ahead and implement this... I don't blame you guys as drivers one bit...I don't like someone telling me I don't have choices...Talk about pushing the small guy out...tracks would b shooting themselves in the foot...Lose money= entry fee, pit passes,etc.... Just my opinion.. And I know we've all got one on this issue..

First off, I do find it strange how very few tracks have actually said much on the rule in the first place. Some really not at all.
Most tracks tend to post here as well, and again haven't seen any of them make mention of the tire rule.

Anyways let's get down to it.

Kokomo and Gas City are now Confirmed to be using this rule. There is a news article about it on Kokomo's track website. Posted March 28th.

MSCS and TriState is also using the rule, as expected since Hoosier has a lot of sponsorship with the series. Which of course is based in Haubstadt.

Lawrenceburg has amended their rules on March 28th to revert back to the RR only.

Bloomington has only made a Facebook post about the rule. No other mention has been made. The rules on the track site are for 2015 and have not been updated. But the post did state they were going to use the rule.

Lincoln Park...I haven't seen a yay or nay honestly. The only mention of a tire rule on the track's site is the RR spec rule from 2014. There might of been something I missed, but either way it's not clear. Rumor is they too are gonna use the rule.

Paragon doesn't have their Sprint rules posted, but they likely will remain very open as they've always been.

BOSS series is not running the tire rule as pointed out by the promotor in the previous thread.

USAC is sticking with the RR Spec tire only.

That about sums up most of the tracks and series who run weekly or frequently enough to be mentioned. Most other tracks either run only a special show or two or have one of the previously mentioned series attending. (Terre Haute for example)

All in all that is about the gist of what can be gathered so far. So it seems like just about every major track is on board in using the all 4 Hoosier rule.

Didn't think Kokomo/Gas City would give in this late in the going. They already had the 2016 Rules posted on the Kokomo site and said they would remain Open Tire on 3 corners, but not now.

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Originally Posted by DirtHawk92:
I'm just a fan and don't like it! If u wanna kill car counts at your track then go ahead and implement this... I don't blame you guys as drivers one bit...I don't like someone telling me I don't have choices...Talk about pushing the small guy out...tracks would b shooting themselves in the foot...Lose money= entry fee, pit passes,etc.... Just my opinion.. And I know we've all got one on this issue..

they have pretty much pushed this small guy out.

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I am a ex official with MSCS and am a big time fan of sprint car racing. I am probley going to step on some toes here , but almost everyone here who is complaining doesn't run MSCS but maybe at one track if that Last year while walking the pits I noticed that the biggest part of you guys already had purple tires in place. So am I missing the point somewhere about someone telling you you have to do this or that ? Stepping off soapbox now

Originally Posted by jim goerge:
I am a ex official with MSCS and am a big time fan of sprint car racing. I am probley going to step on some toes here , but almost everyone here who is complaining doesn't run MSCS but maybe at one track if that Last year while walking the pits I noticed that the biggest part of you guys already had purple tires in place. So am I missing the point somewhere about someone telling you you have to do this or that ? Stepping off soapbox now

I agree. I races at LPS, Bloomington, Paragon and Haubstadt last year and other than at Paragon and Paul Hazens 57 most all other cars are already running Purple. This can be validated by going to each track photographer site and review pics. Other brands are very limited

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Check the Paragon photographers pages and see how many purples are being ran.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Check the Paragon photographers pages and see how many purples are being ran.

He said other than Paragon in his post. :44:

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Paragon Speedway tires: Run what u brung

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Originally Posted by Rpracing1:
He said other than Paragon in his post. :44:

Sorry, didn't see that but do now.

I really don't think the whole point is being said, When AR goes under. Whats to keep Purple from charging anything they want?

A lot of the guys running purple do so because the RR is mandatory and its easier to both, Deal with one distributor and two, make the brand work well with its matching compound.

I also think tracks making mandatory corners or all should have the harder option available. They shouldn't have to go out there knowing for a fact the RR will be gone or it become a race of attrition due to blow outs like the last Bubba race was. Making things last, that's for Champ Cars.

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Have a phone ?
I don't know how it works in Indiana but if I wanted to know for sure what was going on I'd call the promoter's personally, if I was running a car. Otherwise I'd just go enjoy the races, cuz theres nothing you can do about it. Inless of course you decided to draw a line in the sand and not attend the races.
Do that and your likely to have the same **** racing we have here, modifieds, fendered four cylinders ect as your main course. If that doesn't make you lose your appetite I don't know what will.

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Lincoln Park posted in yesterday 4/1. All four corners, look under Drivers Info: http://www.lincolnparkspeedway.com/n...04012016.shtml
10E, 57,49, 22V and 76J are cars that run American Racer

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Other cars, 11B Berryhill, 99 Burns

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https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...65119538_o.jpgThis is starting to get out of hand. Go back to the way it was. Let the small guy have a chance as he can go on various websites and maybe pickup a few tires here and there that are cheaper and help them hit the tracks. Lets go back to the 80's and early 90's when you seen cars line the pits every time DO and the King would come on for a recap of that weekends events. Racing is expensive no matter what you do or say in rules any more. So I say let it go back to the way it was and see what can happen. If it doesn't work like I hope it would then we could look at other options.

If we are really worried about costs then make it to were you have to run a stock block chevy right out of a boneyard and put carbs back on them. I grew up down south and they did that for years and the pits were always lined up every weekend. https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...6e&oe=57BBF64D

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I was going to try and race some more MSCS shows this year but I over the winter purchased multiple American Racer tires for most of the season and now only have a few places to run. I like running other tracks and run them on off night from Paragon when I can. Now I would have to go buy more tires or track down some used tires. My biggest issue is were does it stop, I bet if XXX Chassis or any other chassis manufacturer went to a sanctioning body and said here's $8 to 10 thousand dollars make them all run our chassis. How would all the people saying just suck it up be saying. It is the point, and I understand that it cost money to run tracks and sanctioning bodies, no real notice and feeling bullied into running a specific tire on all for corners. I will not be racing at any of these tracks or sanctioning bodies this year. How about you take a guy and let him run with his tire of choice and the right rear that is the rule and he is not eligible for the points. I have run before in places were if you run said manufactures decal and you finish in the top three you get x amount of money on top. Why not do it that way take your money and make it an incentive to run a specific brand of what ever tire, engine chassis or whatever. I'm not ******** that racing is expensive, it always has been and always will be but in my opinion there are better ways to do thing that make it more appealing.

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Race fans :20: from HOA developments driving brown four sedans to Monopoly :17: Speedway have been lobbying for years to require the same brand tire :47: on all four wheels. Now they can shift :31: their attention to require all vehicles to be white, for safety of course. Any vehicle with other than official advertising will be banished from the track. The term good old days :6: has been forbidden and replaced with the same old days :7:. Finally, Monopoly Speedway denies any reports of a name change to Ho Hum Speedway are erroneous. :21:

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Originally Posted by CMRRacing:
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...65119538_o.jpgThis is starting to get out of hand. Go back to the way it was. Let the small guy have a chance as he can go on various websites and maybe pickup a few tires here and there that are cheaper and help them hit the tracks. Lets go back to the 80's and early 90's when you seen cars line the pits every time DO and the King would come on for a recap of that weekends events. Racing is expensive no matter what you do or say in rules any more. So I say let it go back to the way it was and see what can happen. If it doesn't work like I hope it would then we could look at other options.

If we are really worried about costs then make it to were you have to run a stock block chevy right out of a boneyard and put carbs back on them. I grew up down south and they did that for years and the pits were always lined up every weekend. https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...6e&oe=57BBF64D

I'd love to go back to the way it was.
You wouldn't see those wings like in the posted photo.
Also there would be no discussion about rules, because there were none.

Maybe I'm showing my age but I was around when the first plywood wings started showing up.
I knew they were going to suck a lot of wind.
Your stock block thing makes sense except that you can have a stock block with a stock crank running a carb and still make insane horsepower with good heads. if you don't mind destroying a bottom end now and then. You have to keep on adding rules as guys start toeing the line. Back to tire rules, they no good. Maybe r/r that's it.

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Good point and they did blow bottom ends out. My dad's motor which he ran in Super Modified's (100 inch champ car with a wing) had a bottom end out of an early 80's Chevy van with some head work done. However, these weekend warriors could run nearly every weekend on their weekly paychecks and the crowds loved every minute of it. Toeing the line is understandable. However, if they tore em down like they did back in the older days it would not happen. If it was suspicious it did not pass. I wish they could have taken the wings off of them back then but that is what we had in our area and so we had to go with it. Still some of the best side by side and slide jobs I ever can remember.

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The other thing too is that theres a lot of variables from track to track and state to state to what lengths racers will go to toe that line.
We've been to some tracks where you felt like everyone was there for fun and most likely legal. 150 miles down the road and it was cutthroat and likely most everyone wasn't legal.