PLYMOUTH: DIRTcar Crate wing Sprint. Will it work?
 

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Things are really looking good for the Dirtcar Pro Sprint car program. Plymouth is assembling a nice field of cars for the new division. Industry veterans Joe Gaerte and Scott Benic are on board and are building cars and installing the Pace Performance sealed engines. They recognize the value of this division to create new sprint car teams and their fans some of which will eventually move up and being involved now will give them a relationship going forward.
We are working with tracks in New York, North Carolina, Alabama and Arizona on programs for 2017.
Larry Kemp

Wish they would of found some common rules with Wilmot Raceway. The 2 tracks aren't that far apart could of had some cross over.

I'm not very familiar, can someone tell me the difference between these and 305 RaceSavers? Other than the engine being different. What's each car cost as a whole?

Wouldn't it make more sense to run 305s?

No other tracks even close to the area are slated to run these new sprints (at least not that I've heard of) whereas I know there are 3-4 tracks in Indiana that have 305s on their schedules for at least one or multiple events this year.

Hopefully it works out for them.

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Originally Posted by Nate:
I'm not very familiar, can someone tell me the difference between these and 305 RaceSavers? Other than the engine being different. What's each car cost as a whole?

Wouldn't it make more sense to run 305s?

No other tracks even close to the area are slated to run these new sprints (at least not that I've heard of) whereas I know there are 3-4 tracks in Indiana that have 305s on their schedules for at least one or multiple events this year.

Hopefully it works out for them.

Plymouth was approached by DIRTcar about running the class. So they said ok.
The only think I can say is I've heard two different versions of the payout.
One good and one not so good.
I think that will dictate the biggest àmount of intrest the class garners from prospective drivers and / or car owners.
*$1,000 to win & $175 / $200 to start
*$400 to win & $100 to start

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If you want to do NY a favor bring us some nonwing sprints. We already have all the winged bull we need.

Originally Posted by nathans1012:
Plymouth was approached by DIRTcar about running the class. So they said ok.
The only think I can say is I've heard two different versions of the payout.
One good and one not so good.
I think that will dictate the biggest àmount of intrest the class garners from prospective drivers and / or car owners.
*$1,000 to win & $175 / $200 to start
*$400 to win & $100 to start

They will not be 1,000 to win. Not for a crate car. Specially since the mods are still the biggest class at Plymouth. If you read the WOO/UMP stuff closely they said the payout will be very close to what the weekly mod payout is at most tracks. So my guess is your $400 to win number is the correct payout. The $1000 to win rumor was a 410 sprint guy thinking he could ruffle feathers.

Also my guess is 10-12 cars running off and on this year. I know of 8 that I can confirm have cars, plus 4 more motors that have been purchased for the series.

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Originally Posted by Blueracer123:
They will not be 1,000 to win. Not for a crate car. Specially since the mods are still the biggest class at Plymouth. If you read the WOO/UMP stuff closely they said the payout will be very close to what the weekly mod payout is at most tracks. So my guess is your $400 to win number is the correct payout. The $1000 to win rumor was a 410 sprint guy thinking he could ruffle feathers.

Also my guess is 10-12 cars running off and on this year. I know of 8 that I can confirm have cars, plus 4 more motors that have been purchased for the series.

Reason I said that is I know 2 guys that built cars.
But when they heard the $400 to win payout the sold them.
Both have connections to sprint car racing.
I won't say who they where but here is a hint: one has a family in Auto dealerships in northern (South Bend / Elkhart area) Indiana & Northwest Indiana and the other races with the Sprint On Dirt 360 Series.

Which had they paid attention to the press release they would have seen that in the first place. Though I know exactly who you are talking about. At least they built two and were able to sell to others for now.

Also to answer a question up above the total cost on this 602 is roughly $12,000-14,000. I have heard the racesavers sprints are going for $18,000-24,000. I could be off on the racesavers price though.

Total cost for a crate 602 12k-14k???

That is what 3 of the builders told me it cost them to put their cars together. $7,500 in the engine, installed and mostly done. Then the rest in the chassis. There are some good sprint rollers that are not very expensive.

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Originally Posted by Blueracer123:
Which had they paid attention to the press release they would have seen that in the first place. Though I know exactly who you are talking about. At least they built two and were able to sell to others for now.

Also to answer a question up above the total cost on this 602 is roughly $12,000-14,000. I have heard the racesavers sprints are going for $18,000-24,000. I could be off on the racesavers price though.

No so much pay attention because there was a Facebook post about middle of last summer that said $1,000 to win & possibly $175 / $200 to start. I can see why guys would be up in the air about it. $400 to win & $100 to start <> that $100 to start is a bit short of a new right rear. That's what some might be thinking of. Hope to see a decent field of them to start the season thought. Hope to see the class grow but it will be hard with the payout. It's cool to see something new and fresh from the same old stuff. Guess will see on Opening night. Heard some cool stuff about the track this weekend. If they get the track surface & prep figured out I think Plymouth has the chance to be a decent dirt track.

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A bit short of a tire at $100 to start? Where do you buy your Hoosiers? :11:

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Originally Posted by trecraft:
A bit short of a tire at $100 to start? Where do you buy your Hoosiers? :11:

Well let me ask you this since I really don't know. What is the cost of a right rear sprint car tire from Hoosier?
The only reason I said that is I figured it would be more then are UMP Modified tires that are about $125 new.

I would like to have a positive attitude on this, but I just have a hard time seeing this being real successful(hopefully I am wrong). Why create another class and further divide the already dwindling car counts and on top of that why not make it a 305, so Bloomington racers can race? Finally, if these 602 motor are over 10k, then why would a startup team/kid/family not just bypass this and buy a fresh -12 and have the option to race at over 5 different places within 200 miles of indy. Same priced car, similar priced motor, 1/3 the payout. I wish them the best, and will try and be positive about this.

The Ira wingless sprints are by far the best crate sprint car class. In only its second year they will be flirting with the 20 car mark. Wish some other tracks would take suit.

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Originally Wilmot was going to run the 602 engine non winged but changed to the 604 with only a chassis dyno hp rating to control engines.

The engine dyno deal has worked out great. Keeps cost down by not monopolizing the engine deal. The 604 engine kit can be done for under $7500 with all new parts.

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Here is the difference between the Pro Sprint engine and the Racesaver engines. The Pro Sprint 602 engines are only available from Pace Performance in Ohio.
They have the cam drilled and tapped to accommodate the fuel and Power steering pumps. Spec carb, headers, drive/balancer hub with yoke, carb spacer plate with throttle linkage and rev limiter with a 6,200 rpm chip.
The engines come with the GM seal bolts and Pace adds 6 numbered wire cable seals as well as their own wire cable seal that has a QR code on it that can be scanned with an I phone that has a web site you can go to to see the history of the engine. The base package is $5,179 and turn key, plug and play for $7,850.
There are other options like pulleys and belts and alternater with 5lb battery.
The Racesaver engine as I read them mandates minimum weight components like crankshaft and specs on other components like rods and heads.
To enforce rules the engines would have to be dissembled.
I recently read that they found that a company had built more than 50 illegal crankshafts tha had proper weight but had been modified.
Not saying there is anything wrong with the Racever program but we believe our program is more suited for true controlled cost and maintenance racing.
Larry Kemp

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As I drive by this race track to go race with SOD, GLSS and MTS with 360 and 410 engines I will wave hello from US 31!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The only thing I don't get is why all of these divisions that mandate smaller, less powerful engines insist on running wings. IMO, it would make more sense if they would get rid of the wings because it would be more of a challenge to hook the car up, and if someone is cheating the engine it doesn't do nearly as much good.

Graham , my thoughts exactly . This is why the Ira Wingless deal is IMO the best deal in town. Now if we can get other tracks to see this. Baby steps I guess.

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My only issue with it is say it doesn't work out. No other tracks remotely close to Plymouth are running these new cars, so basically you just ate the thousands of dollars you spent putting your car together and all of the money you spent racing it?

Racing is an expensive endeavor, whatever car/class you may run. But if you put together a 305 or a 410 for that matter at least you know there are multiple places to race, (albeit it is much more expensive) whereas with these...if it doesn't work...there isn't anywhere else.

I understand what DIRTcar and Plymouth are trying to do and I wish them all the luck in the world for trying to put people in the stands and more cars/drivers on the track. However, if I had the extra thousands of dollars I'd want to spend it on a car that I know I'm going to get my money's worth out of, not a car that may or may not have a track to race on if things don't go according to plan.

Not trying to sound negative, I don't try to do that, just trying to look at things from a realistic standpoint.

Originally Posted by Nate:
My only issue with it is say it doesn't work out. No other tracks remotely close to Plymouth are running these new cars, so basically you just ate the thousands of dollars you spent putting your car together and all of the money you spent racing it?

Racing is an expensive endeavor, whatever car/class you may run. But if you put together a 305 or a 410 for that matter at least you know there are multiple places to race, (albeit it is much more expensive) whereas with these...if it doesn't work...there isn't anywhere else.

I understand what DIRTcar and Plymouth are trying to do and I wish them all the luck in the world for trying to put people in the stands and more cars/drivers on the track. However, if I had the extra thousands of dollars I'd want to spend it on a car that I know I'm going to get my money's worth out of, not a car that may or may not have a track to race on if things don't go according to plan.

Not trying to sound negative, I don't try to do that, just trying to look at things from a realistic standpoint.

Let's say your a 600 mini sprint driver and you'd like to move up in open wheel cars, but your not comfortable with a 360 or 410 car. For roughly the same price you spent in your 600 you can sell it and build a 602 sprint car. Now you can get a year or two of experience in a 602 before you swap the motor out and put a 360 or 410 in it.

Not to knock any of the SoD, mts, ect guys out there, but some of them should seriously consider a 602. Their overall season cost might be a lot lower with a lower repair bill.

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As a MTS racer and a keen observer of the crate cars that have been racing at Ohsewken speedway(Ontario Canada), I can tell you first hand that my open 360 is a cheaper route to go. Add to the fact that I have many more places to race and for higher payouts. The crates are a much better show than I expected them to be... just not cheaper as the should be.

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Somebody throw together a nonwing 602 crate engine series here in upstate NY, me and all my buddys will be there. 602's are run at all the local mudbus tracks and you can pickup a engine for cheap at times. Plus you would have zero competing promotors/series (no matter the engine).
Starting a winged 602 series where there are already options, I'm not so sure about. I know I wouldn't go because of the wings and the winged guys already have a bunch of places to race.

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Originally Posted by latemodel55:
http://youtu.be/W8TA1LPn-x0

Good video. Don't like the sound of the cars though.

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Originally Posted by nathans1012:
Good video. Don't like the sound of the cars though.

How can you tell with little computer speakers? Its gotta be much different live

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Cost for the Pro Sprint tire is only $175 MSRP and should last most of the season. I have went to the track when they did the tire testing with James McFadden and Randy Hannagan. Need to watch the video at www.plymouthspeedway.net. Nothing wrong with 305,360,410 racing as long as you can afford them.

You can hear the sound of the crate engine. It's not close to a regular sprint car engine.

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Everyone has a choice what they watch and what they race. If they want 410 non wing racing they can go to Kokomo which is great racing. But how many can afford it. Joe Gaerte was going to sell a complete turnkey pro sprint for $14000. High RPM's is what causes short engine life. GM says the Pro Sprint engine should last 2-3 race seasons. Joe is renting a car for $500 per night plus a crash agreement. I was wondering what type of car you own or race?

Any Plymouth guys that want to come up to Wilmot on a off weekend are more than welcome!!

The Elite series in Texas has it figured out. Take the darn wings off!