Thoughts. Self-Starting Wingless 602 Sprints. Video.
 

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I wonder how they accomplish the self start? Would it compromise cockpit space?

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I don't want to be negative, But we got to many sprint car classes. I remember when there was one, you showed up and raced. Then somebody didn't win so they started a 360 it would be cheaper, they didn't win so they started a 305 class it would be cheaper. Well let me tell you its not cheap. Off of my soap box. Sometimes I wish we would go back to 1976 and just show up and race. Have a great day.

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The beauty of non wing racing is that it is still pretty much that way. Run Whatcha Brung with the BOSS series and we have had features won by a 305 (Fremont) and a 360 (Mercer) and we don't even have that imaginary rule that SUPPOSEDLY limits cars to 410.

Engines aren't the problem in sprint car racing. The wings are.

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The Super Sports have been running self starting cars in PA. for a long time and do some wingless racing too. They are running wingless at Path Valley on a fairly regular basis now.

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The Super Sportsman chassis is one all to it's self ...looks like a sprint car but's a little different . Not a regular sprint chassis .
The new class they have started at New Egypt Speedway and I think a track in New York, uses regular sprint chassis .
Uses the 602 crate motor sealed by the track and a carburetor , for the driveline it uses a very short modified trans and bellhousing .
There are pictures on their website and it doesn't look too bad from what I see .......unless you have size 15 feet that is .........

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It was the aluminum engines that started the cost sky rocketing not the wings.

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Yeah yeah, Then it was the CNC heads, Then it was the Mopars, Then the Toyotas.

Build you something reliable and race at the track you can be competitive at. Thats the only way to control. YOUR COST. not the cost of racing, There is a level for every budget without adding more UNIQUE classes nobody else can join. Its why you got all these ten car classes that rarely last longer than a year or two.

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Paragon Speedway still running 1976 Sprint Car rules, run whatcha brung, check it out

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Was walking through the pits once on a Pa. excursion that included Silver Spring and one of the super sportsman started up right beside me when I wasn't expecting it. Just about peed myself.

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No offense Kieth, but paragon still has the '76 bleachers, restrooms, lighting, and track equipment. Sometimes a little change isn't all bad. But still a great place to watch a race and have some fun, just a little updating could really help your crowd turnout. Not bashing jmo.

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Still living in the sixties .........part of the problem with most things ....Oh things were so good way back when .......that's all I hear .......
Well That's Bull$$$$ and you know it ......get with the program change is good at times . Everyone on here complains when someone comes up with something new or different , quit your complaining and become part of the solution not part of the problem .....just because it's different doesn't mean that it wont work , you need to be a believer not a complainer .......so get with the program , if your not a supporter of something that just might work just keep your negative mouth shut .!!!!!!!!!

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Gosh, I don't know anything about car racing, does anybody know why they are self starting?

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No offense Steinway, But some would call that heaven, the way it should be, Run what ya brung on a track you can't flatfoot, Racin to have fun with family and friends. Not necessarily the best of everything you can buy. Even a car running there built entirely from scratch. Its modern but looks early 70s

Fans picnicking on the hillside in lawn chairs.
Memorabilia and pictures in the gift shop of racers when I was a kid.

I love both.

I loved the place the from the first time I visited. Of course there's few tracks I dislike :)

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It's pretty simple ....self starting cars speed the show up .....no push vehicles ...don't even need a 4 wheeler in the pit's.
They advertise ready built cars for around 12-14 k I believe .
I'm sure they are used rollers refurbished ,602 crate motors are cheap , and the trans and bellhousing that they use is not that expensive .
Even if you used all new parts you prolly wouldn't spend 20k ...but there are so many used couple year old rollers out there why would you ....

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No offense taken Charles, I have been there numerous times and it is a great track but I know several people that wont go due to lack of facilities. Mostly the wives don't like the restrooms. I know in the pits there isn't any sinks to wash hands if needed, not the biggest issue but several of the women really don't like it. I like Kieth but really feel the track would benefit from some updating. Lighting and a little quicker response from the wrecker, and a proper ambulance svc on sight at all times. The racing is usually great, no complaints there and it is a great place for a guy on a little less of a budget to be able to run. Some of these items are requirements to a lot of racers these days, you have to cater to the needs of families and fans to get them to stay interested. The only real complaint I have had over the years is the last checker needs to fly by 11pm. getting home at 2-4 am is no longer a viable option to most people.

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must be doing something right, he gets more cars week in and week out than any track in Indiana, sometimes bigger isn't better

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Push starting the cars is not part of the show. So you do know the answer. If you buy a
used roller all you will need is a motor and your ready to go?

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They had a self starting sprint car class around Missouri and Kansas for a few years. They didn't last and now they push start them around here the traditional way.

A well run track with on the ball push trucks and safety crew really doesn't take much longer than watching the self starting cars try and try to get it to fire after a spin till someone realized maybe they should send a push truck.

Not to mention how they can never get them to start until the yellow flies then suddenly they fire right up and rush to the work area.
Want to speed the show? Add some laps to the feature on the self starting classes but count yellow flag laps. (but you would have to be willing to send aggressive drivers to the back, put them a lap down, or start using the black flag)

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2rock21.....go to there facebook page or their website .....do some research before you make a bigger dumb a$$ out of yourself ......20k cheater motor ????? and how are you going to do that ???? come on tell me ...you have all the answers !!!!! it's a sealed motor from the manufacturer ...So let me in on all your secrets will ya Big guy .
And push starting doesn't have to be part of the show ...get into the present day ...it's not 1956 anymore ........This is a budget wingless class self starting ..easy on the pocket book and Fun ........educate yourself before you open your mouth .....typical of the idiots on here ....

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You can't cheat, that is great.

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2rock21 ....If your not smart enough to find it yourself , don't think I'm going to tell you ..your the one with all the answers here so what about you ........too lazy to find it for yourself ????? more than likely......you have fun with your life , I'm sure you'll be wandering the streets wondering about this for the rest of your life if you depend on others to do your work for you ....Have fun .......

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Knock it off, You can take the insults, name calling and created sensor bypasses elsewhere. Mrs. G don't need it.

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I just wanted to learn something.

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Out here in Northern California I run in what we call "Wingless Spec Sprints". It's a self starting 360 class. Not a crate motor but we have specific rules, with one track being different then everyone else. It's stated that the starters help speed up the show, but I believe the main reason was to help limit compression as starting a sprint car in gear takes some oomph. Don't start on your own, get pushed and start in the rear.
It's marketed as a "budget" class but still got guys with $15-20k motors.
Even running Calistoga a couple times a year now...

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That's the reason for the crate motor , the motor is only 350 hp and they are sealed so you cant touch them . I also believe they have a rev limiter chip also .
The transmission is a modified transmission , as in north east modified style , it has 2 forward gears and an internal clutch so you can start in netural and then take off.
If I get what you are saying the 360's use a kinda bump start using the starter in gear .
The pictures on their site show this and they are very short , don't take up a lot of room .
The motors are inexpensive less than 3k I believe , have to use a certain header and carburetor ....

Sprint cars are not an entry class.... They should not have entry class costs. They should be fast, they should cost a descent amount of money to run.
Sprints cars should not have crate motors.....

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I spend my summers in the Northeast, have been curious about these, would like to check them out some time. But it usually turns out that I only end up traveling for 410s....

Exactly. To limit them makes them no more than a street stock without fenders or an e-mod.

Wings are not the problem....qualifying & large purses are what have raised the cost of sprints.
You have a good thing going with the BOSS series and I'll applaud all that you've done. Your series caters to the blue collar guy who wants to race and you reward them with purse that will at least pay expenses for the guy who doesn't win. But your purse is not so large to attract the better funded teams. Also you are smart to primarily run your races at tracks that either usually don't run non-wing or even run sprints at all. This gives your guys a heads up on the locals. Im not saying it's what to do because you have a good thing going but if started regularly paying $4-10,000 to win and $500 to start along with qualifications you will not see a 305/360 win a 410 race unless somebody gets very lucky.