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After an exciting season at Bloomington we are already looking to 2016. We will be having an information meeting for anyone looking to get into a RaceSaver sprint. Some drivers from this year will be there and hopefully anyone putting one together so we can talk about the 2016 season. Meeting will be held at Holiday Inn Express on Sunday November 15th at 3:00pm. Address for meeting place is 117 S. Franklin RD. Bloomington, IN 47404.

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Like the guy said, I'm not spending $200 to buy a tire for a race that pays $400 to win. And he's got money. Man of his word. Sold everything.

It's $600 to WIN and $150 to start!!!

That's the beauty of the RaceSaver class--and why it's called RaceSaver. It's a class that is designed to be cost effective as well as more competitive for the racer. A limit is placed on tires, motor, etc... So the emphasis is on keeping the cost down, as well as keeping the cars on a more even playing field so it is a driver and set up led class, and not based on expensive equipment.
If you have any questions about cost, or anything, please don't hesitate to ask! This is a great and growing class of cars, and we encourage anyone with questions to learn more and get some quality facts.

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This is our fourth year with a Racesaver engine, the same one with a little freshen. The four years were made possible in addition to other things by no tire rule, no membership fees, no registration fees and a lot of maintenance by the driver/ mechanic. But there are times now when certain people think affordable doesn't apply to the participants. So we just take one year at a time. :31:

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I thought Racesaver tracks had to run the spec hard RR tire that sells for $165 or something like that... No?

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That was the beginning of making it less affordable. Then all of a sudden the left rear will be added. Then all will have to be the same brand. Then the $30 dollar registration fee becomes the $50 registration fee. And remember the to win amount was supposed to be double the starting amount. THE $1000 TO WIN IN BOLD PRINT, the $100 to start not so bold. And not what was intended. In the end, it just becomes so damn affordable, you have to quit. :6:

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Haha! Gotcha! Been there.
I remember now that they added the spec RR later on...

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to the naysayers, have you priced fishing tackle or golf equipment lately? or if you choose to just stay home and watch TV, there's the every increasing cable charge, racing costs money, complaining about it, not so much, it's your choice, keeps these message boards interesting.

Bill May

What is the age requirement for this class at Bloomington? What about other tracks?

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Originally Posted by Bill May:
to the naysayers, have you priced fishing tackle or golf equipment lately? or if you choose to just stay home and watch TV, there's the every increasing cable charge, racing costs money, complaining about it, not so much, it's your choice, keeps these message boards interesting.

Bill May

The fish don't bother me and I don't bother them. :) My hand me down golf bag from my father is in the shed. :D We got the cable bill cut back. :3:

16 is the minimum age unless the kid is Emancipated.

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Just curious. If your premier division is non-wing, why is Race Saver a wing car? Not a criticism.

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Originally Posted by trecraft:
This is our fourth year with a Racesaver engine, the same one with a little freshen. The four years were made possible in addition to other things by no tire rule, no membership fees, no registration fees and a lot of maintenance by the driver/ mechanic. But there are times now when certain people think affordable doesn't apply to the participants. So we just take one year at a time. :31:

So did you run any Racesaver sprints at Bloomington?

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fish, I suspect he's a pa or wva person racing non-Racesaver tracks over there. I have sold parts to a few racers there racing 305's, not racesaver, but similar.

Bill May

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No. Over the years have only owned limited winged 360's and winged Racesaver 305's. Love Kokomo, Gas City, Eldora and USAC in general but really don't think I could be a non wing owner nor a 410 owner, winged or non wing. Have helped some 410 teams in the past but helping is not the same as owning. Saw a nice 360 division disappear and don't want to see the same thing happen to the 305's.

Originally Posted by captrat:
Just curious. If your premier division is non-wing, why is Race Saver a wing car? Not a criticism.

Not sure, but I do know that a wing car is easier to drive and keep straight than non wing. Also, I beleive the RACESAVER car started out east (PA?) and there's nothing but winged stuff out there. But I'm guessing the simple fact that it's a good place for beginners to start, that they decide to run wing. (Safety and control)

Originally Posted by captrat:
Just curious. If your premier division is non-wing, why is Race Saver a wing car? Not a criticism.

To distinguish between the two classes to the casual fan.

If drivers are under 16 they need to speak with the track and RaceSaver regional representative about racing experience to get approval. There is a younger driver in our area that raced the Bloomington RaceSaver this year that moved up from minisprints.

I totally disagree on a Winged car being easier to drive than a Non-Winged car!! A winged car, you do drive much straighter, but you are going way faster too! There is a different style to both and I love to drive both for sure! They both take skill and finesse.

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Originally Posted by treecitytornado:
I totally disagree on a Winged car being easier to drive than a Non-Winged car!! A winged car, you do drive much straighter, but you are going way faster too! There is a different style to both and I love to drive both for sure! They both take skill and finesse.

The race savers aren't going faster even with the wing than a 410 NW.

Actually, they are faster than a non wing. At Bloomington Speedway anyway. At the last race of the year, the fastest lap turned by a RaceSaver during hot laps was 10.8, and the fastest lap in a non wing 410 during hot laps was 11.2. During the feature it was even faster, with a 2 second difference (305 was faster).
Having said that, it doesn't make one better than the other. It's all preference, and what suits an individual's needs.

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Originally Posted by TQ97:
What is the age requirement for this class at Bloomington? What about other tracks?

I believe Jadon Rogers ran a bunch of these in the 66 car this year. He is like 13 years old or so. Kid is pretty impressive if I have to say so myself. Good job kid!

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Originally Posted by captrat:
Just curious. If your premier division is non-wing, why is Race Saver a wing car? Not a criticism.

Billboard for sponsors. Some of these guys got some pretty good sponsors. i.e. Jasper Engines......Vincennes University

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Originally Posted by charles nungester:
the race savers aren't going faster even with the wing than a 410 nw.

Originally Posted by indianaracesaver:
actually, they are faster than a non wing. At bloomington speedway anyway. At the last race of the year, the fastest lap turned by a racesaver during hot laps was 10.8, and the fastest lap in a non wing 410 during hot laps was 11.2. During the feature it was even faster, with a 2 second difference (305 was faster).
Having said that, it doesn't make one better than the other. It's all preference, and what suits an individual's needs.

:44: You mean Charles doesn't know what he's talking about? Say it isn't so.

Chuck, the Racesaver Cars turned in the high 13s early in the night and still in the lower 14s in the feature. This is faster than a Non-Wing 410 has been there because they can keep 475 H.P. hooked up a lot more easily than we can. I was actually talking about regular 410 Winged cars when I was saying much faster though.

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Originally Posted by treecitytornado:
chuck, the racesaver cars turned in the high 13s early in the night and still in the lower 14s in the feature. This is faster than a non-wing 410 has been there because they can keep 475 h.p. Hooked up a lot more easily than we can. I was actually talking about regular 410 winged cars when i was saying much faster though.

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Fish, yea, with all those posts, it had to happen eventually.

Bill May

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Originally Posted by captrat:
Just curious. If your premier division is non-wing, why is Race Saver a wing car? Not a criticism.

I think for a region like Indiana there are several reasons why it makes sense to run wings on the racesaver class....

Mainly to distinguish a real difference between this class and the premier/nonwing class to the casual fans. Nothing confuses newbies more than seeing 3 different classes of cars that all look identical...here in MO we have a track that runs 3 different classes of modifieds weekly...A mods, Sport/B mods and Midwest mods.. unless you can see the difference in a 4 inch spoiler and an 8 inch spoiler, or hear the difference between a 2 barrel and 4 barrel carb you have no idea which is which.

A wing on an entry level sprintcar class in Indiana makes the transition easier for the many many people who are coming out of the winged minisprints.

The wings allow the lap times to be plenty fast on an underpowered sprintcar. Average fans aren't going to dismiss the class as a joke because it still looks fast as hell to them. People interested in moving into the class are going to be intrigued and actually feel like it is a step up from a modified or minisprint.

As a rule I am of the opinion that any 305 sprintcar class should be wingless due the cars having half the horsepower that the tires and wings are made for. A little extra power really stands out when you have cars that are as locked down and hooked up as a winged 305 is. That being said, I still think with Indiana having such an awesome nonwing scene that it only makes sense to run wings on the racesaver cars.

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I seen the first response that corrected me. Liked the post. Tucked my tail and instead of like every other who would have edited their post. Left it.

And the rest of you, Except for Stapp who was correcting me nicely, Who've never met me by the way. only confirmed my suspicion as A holes who wouldn't talk to me in person the way you do here.

You have fun in your perfect little know it all worlds. I never said I did.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
I seen the first response that corrected me. Liked the post. Tucked my tail and instead of like every other who would have edited their post. Left it.

And the rest of you, Except for Stapp who was correcting me nicely, Who've never met me by the way. only confirmed my suspicion as A holes who wouldn't talk to me in person the way you do here.

You have fun in your perfect little know it all worlds. I never said I did.

Quite the overreaction on your part. So what are the terrible things that were said that no one would have the nerve to say to you in person?

You came into this thread about BLOOMINGTON RACESAVER SPRINTS and started throwing out incorrect information without knowing the facts, all with your typical agenda of knocking anything that has a wing on it. It's something you do time after time after time.

Should I resort to calling you names (A-hole) like you just did others? And would you say that to others in person or just on here?

I have witnessed the Bloomington Racesavers with my own eyes. I'm no expert on them but in my book affordable racing is a must for the sport to survive.

And just so there is no misunderstanding, I love non-wing sprint car racing.

Jim Fisher

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Originally Posted by Bill May:
racing costs money, complaining about it, not so much,

Bill May

Awesome post!

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Originally Posted by fish:
Quite the overreaction on your part. So what are the terrible things that were said that no one would have the nerve to say to you in person?

You came into this thread about BLOOMINGTON RACESAVER SPRINTS and started throwing out incorrect information without knowing the facts, all with your typical agenda of knocking anything that has a wing on it. It's something you do time after time after time.

Should I resort to calling you names (A-hole) like you just did others? And would you say that to others in person or just on here?

I have witnessed the Bloomington Racesavers with my own eyes. I'm no expert on them but in my book affordable racing is a must for the sport to survive.

And just so there is no misunderstanding, I love non-wing sprint car racing.

Jim Fisher

Wow, Even with what I said Which is admittedly wrong. I wasn't knocking wings only agreeing with another poster on if the headline class is NW, Why isn't the entry class?

So as I admit, I was wrong, the only time I actually seen a time on the Racesaver was the testing night of the first one to run, I think it was a USAC night.

And just so there's no misunderstanding, Probably the best race i ever seen was Wolfgang and Allen the weekend after the Knoxville Nationals tha Allen won racing side by side for about 30of the 40 lap feature at Bloomington which was Wing and for about ten years I went all over OH/IN following them mainly only seeing good racing in features, which still holds true today when the air gets dirty for everyone.

Yeah I got tired of seeing one, maybe two of the six races in the class having any passing. Excuse me for having a preference, And Im sorry if you see it as bashing wings, But I'll admit NW is my prefference.

My response is to your continually for the whole year calling me out on everything for having a opinion that may not necessaraly agree with yours.

As for post count, Ten years of sharing information, Expressing enthusiasm over the sport and even a lot of casual convo with friends on the board living and past on, well wishes, prayers and some joking around, Yeah, It adds up.

If I could have gotten to Bloomington this year, or any other track than LBurg this year, I would have, and I would have gotten a more informed view of the Racesavers

I just want to know whats wrong with agreeing with someone else in asking why They're not NW like the headline class, Especially if its the "ENTRY LEVEL" and consistently getting called out by you as being a wing basher. You didn't get smart with the other poster who asked in the first place. Instead of Correcting me with correct information like JT did. You come out with this

You mean Charles doesn't know what he's talking about? Say it isn't so.

Correct me if Im wrong. I can handle it and am grateful when people do. But if that isn't being exactly what I said in my reply, I don't know what is. At least be consistent and do it to everyone you don't agree with

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The "Tail Tucking" saga continues. you are right, I was wrong or versa visa (I think that's reversed) I'm still trying to comprehend what happened there.

Bill may

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Are there any Saturday night tracks in Indiana looking at picking up the RaceSaver class?

If you were given one question to ask about RaceSavers what would it be?

I enjoyed the couple of races I ran at Bloomington in 2015. Great series for for the teams that have smaller budgets. Great for sprint car fans to see two classes of sprint cars race every Friday night. No question, just looking forward to running a few more shows with you in 2016.
Thanks, Brian Gerster

Take the $1,500 worth of wings you have to carry around and watch the car count go up! Why do we need wings in IN, this is proven traditional Sprint car land. Knoxville runs 3 classes a week all with wings. Why can't we run two types of non wing at Bloomington?

So my question I would ask is why wings?

Bob

I wish they would just "try" one non wing race this year, and see how it goes.

Run half Non-Wing and half with a Wing!