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Be sure to check out this weeks Racin with DO. The Lucas Oil POWRi D2 Midwest Midget Series had the opportunity to speak with DO about what the D2 Midgets are.


We would also like to thank DO for having us on his show.

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Bob

Thanks for the plug on DO's last night. Is their anybody strong enough to take a challenge other than Chett?

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I woulda for sure

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Scotty

You or your brother had the car to do it>>sure wished you guys would have moved up on the track a little bit especially Andy. Tell Andy I got just the cure for that Lady Luck thing standing on the corner right now in front of the shop.:D;)


Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I heard the D2 program needs to add 100 lbs of weight to that Ecotech car.....

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cb

Naw just take away $400.00 in incentive. A good driver in a good Mini Sprint would give him a run for his money. How you doing with my Midget pillow tops? I know a place we could sell some at. They sure bounce good with them spring steal frames. We furnished the scales and he went across at 1171 pounds at the end of the race. Wont be too far behind the Sprint cars pretty soon. The track was better than I have ever seen it and he went up high hooked up and stayed out of trouble. Everybody else chose to beat and bang on the bottom.:);) I Sure would have liked to see them Blue's Brothers show up there and double teamed him. I might be richer right now.




Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Lets get them farther north in Illinois

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Dirt

You already have some classes in central and northern Illinois already running this class of car. They will generally be composed of both automotive engined cars with a few Motorcycle cars thrown in for flavor. They are very competitive and probably the cheapest form of real open wheel racing available. There is a little problem now in defining how much work to the automotive engines they are willing to accept, and whether or not allow for inclusion of newer automotive designs as they become available. For some reason they seem to be stuck with a 2400cc displacement limit when most of the newer motors entering the market today have raised their displacement to 2500cc's or shrunk them down to 2000cc's or less and use a stock supercharger to bring their power and efficiency up to or sometimes better than their larger counterparts. I am for staying stock and relying for the manufacture to set the rules, in other words stay current with what is showing up in junk yards. Most cycle motors remain basically stock as removed from the bike.


Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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We have been running all season at Lincoln Speedway. What started out as a lightning sprint show has become basically a DII show with Ecotechs allowed.

We moved the Friday Oct 9th POWRi/MOWA event to Jacksonville Speedway to be a 2 day show. On Friday night Oct 9th we are running a DII race and putting the POWRi sanction on it as they will officiate the DII cars as well as the National Midgets.

The major change from the POWRi rules is that we will limit the cycle engines to 1000cc since that's what we have raced here in Central Illinois all season. Heading into next year, I expect DII midgets to have a home on Fridays at Lincoln and Jacksonville on weeks Lincoln isn't racing.

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kdobson

Those darned things are contagious. People harp about national rules but when one thinks how big this country really is a one size fits all thing is not always the best policy. Racing at the grass roots has always been local running what is available in the neighborhood. Most weekend racers like to stay close to home and race at the most several different tracks. Glad to hear you guys are doing good up their. PowrI is working on a standardized set of rules and that is a good thing if it is a good set of rules it will be emulated my many other smaller racing groups all over.

The original concept of D II midgets began when an old guy down in Florida was racing Mini Sprints and was having problems with chain wear while racing in that sand that they live in. He wanted to turn the motor around and install a drive shaft just like the Kenyon Midgets. Well about that same time USAC was racing Focus Midgets (a bit under-powered for a race car) and the ECOtec midgets were just coming on line. I had watched the ECOtec's at the shootout that year and suggested that the Ecotec Midget, Focus Midget and the 1200cc Mini Sprint were all very compatible and could race well together.

All of this started over a discussion right here on IOW. Every body including this guy down south wanted to call Mini Sprint a Lightning Sprint. I thought then and still think so today that that was a dumb name for our cars. Well I finally convinced him that the only difference between a Midget and Mini Sprint was the power plant and drive system. He agreed with me finally and he then came up with the name D II Midget, applied it to all 3 classes of cars and it looks like it is going to stick too. Now they call him the "Grand Father" of D II Midgets:)>>personally I think "God Father" would be more appropriate. "Don" Wayne;)


Honest Dad himself:6::6:

We've been running a back row challenge all year at Lincoln. It's been accepted every time but no one has managed to pull it off. Many including us have come very close, but so far no one has managed it. We all have one more shot next week. The biggest fight is being able to be the high point man in order to even have a chance. Passing points mean the heat races are some of the best races of the night. I forgot to add that chain cars have won all races so far, but it has been close on occasion. 2nd edit- when we race IMRA,the wins have been about 50/50 chain to 2.4

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I agree with Dad that Chett is a heck of a driver and would be competitive in most anything. Extra weight is not going to slow him down. I've seen him race that car at Montpelier and Union County Speedways, and be very competitive with full National Midgets. The point here is that not all production automotive engines are created equal. The USAC HPD series co-sanctioned 6 races with Midwest mini sprint associations this summer - mini sprints won 5 out of 6 against USAC legal Focus cars. In my opinion, the cars have similar horsepower, but Focus weigh 200 lbs more, and struggle to accelerate on starts due to the heavier driveline. A Focus car won at the high banked 3/8 mile Atomic Speedway, where it could utilize its momentum.

I'm a huge fan of the DII concept and believe this off-season is critical for developing a set of rules that encompass a wide variety of production engines and mini sprints. I'd like to see specs that target horsepower at the 225 range, easily accessible for Focus with minor modifications not current permitted by USAC. The Ecotech and Honda can be built economically at this HP level. We cannot go into the 2016 season allowing Ecotechs modified to put out 275+ HP competing against other DII midgets.

Dad, based on the DO talk show: there were a few "Hot Shoe" drivers mentioned and even compared to "Jeff Gordon" and "Christopher Bell"..... Surprised they didn't give ol' Chett a run for his $$.

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The target HP has been 225 from day one...as you say the focus as done through USAC is 186-189 with the clutch/driveline. Both Focus cars here in Florida has ran the USAC/Scream engine all year and has finished behind 3 ecotec and 1000cc MS...The Ecotec are the MWR "stock" configured STOCK intake and TBI with STOCK cams. They do have aftermarket rods and pistons but are stock equivalent compression. These cars do have the VVT hooked up and do get off the corner much better but with that said they still fall in the same HP range that we as D-II are looking for. As of last week I have "Built" one of the Ford Focus's I have...J&E pistons 2 mill over 11.1 compression $538.00 set of Eagle rods $317.00. Bore block $150.00, brgs. and gaskets $135.00. port/polish head with crower cams and springs $1000.00. total $2140.00 for upgrades and a complete new engine. We also deleted clutch starter and flywheel.

We do not have an engine dyno down here for a Focus but we did go to the track and the upgrade according to the driver is much better. This weekend will be the 1st time in competition with the MWR ecotec's that are "LEGAL" with VVT hooded up as per our current D-II rules and are looking forward to Sat. night's show to see how the new "Super Focus" works out. Just going by what other engine guys are saying we hope 210-220 HP and improvement on the bottom end torque. This will help when all parties concerned sat down to hammer out a set of rules. We will post the comparison next week... Again our goal is 225 HP....Has always been that even with to 1000cc are at 185-195 but they do get a 200lb. weight break...Hope this helps to clear up things.

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I think you forgot about those "JUNKYARD MOTORS" in your car you're always preaching about..... Didn't think USAC/Scream was producing motors for Ford that would make it into the junkyard now. :17:


Respectfully,
One of "THOSE" ecotec drivers

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WB

I guess Chett is driving one of the last Revolution ECOtec's built. The problem faced with D II Midgets is not making them all equal Horsepower >>>the problem is giving the most competitive engines a chance to race.

Right now there are many ideas on how to make them competitive and economical. The problem most people feel that to be economical and fair the parts or engines should be purchased from a specific source. To guys like me>>>that ain't economical.

We have raced Mini Sprints for a lot of years now. Generally whenever we blew a motor up we bought a new low mileage motor off of Ebay and continued racing with a little newer and faster technology. This has served us well over the years. Granted the automotive motors leave a little more to be desired in their state of tune as opposed to the Motorcycle engines but I think with just a little extra massaging they can be made to perform quite well.

Right now there are some people out there touting the advantages of the 2.4 Midget class. They are writing up rules and specification to keep everyone in compliance.

Only one problems that I see. 2.4 Liter engines are now obsolete as far as manufactures are concerned. Their engine of choice has be replace in the automotive line up with a 2.5 Liter motor or smaller displacement motors using either Superchargers or Turbo chargers.

We have become very Political Correct in the last few years. Junk Yards are now called Automotive Recycle Facilities. As such many of them now render unusable cars down to their elements and sell them as recycled metals usually to China. That means that in 5 years there will be very few 2.4 motors available for racers. We have entered the age of throw away motors. Just like in Mini Sprints it is easier to buy new and forget about a freshen up.

With race cars Horsepower is found in the cylinder head. The Ecotec has a superior head. That make it the champ. Other must play catch up. Horsepower is also found in Compression Ratio>>the higher the CR the more power the engine will produce. Auto makers have started developing Direct injection>>just like a Diesel they inject the fuel directly into the combustion just before it is needed to ignite. By doing this they can run some very high compression ratios with some very low octane fuel.

If D II midget are to survive and grow the organizers and rule makers must figure a way to factor in these advancements as they are introduced to the market. That old cry of oh you are going to raise the cost of racing by making racers buy new engines as they come on line rings kind of hollow because right now most of these new engines can be bought through recyclers for 2 to 3 thousand dollars much cheaper than a freshen up. Were I making the rules I would probably allow high compression pistons but would dis allow the rods that go with them. The pistons would allow them to be more compatible with Methanol and the stock rods would limit the rpm's.
I would probably allow heavier valve springs but also disallow aftermarket valve and other components. I would not allow any port work period and make after market throttle bodies an option. I would allow engine management alteration because a car on the track has much different performance parameters than those on the street engine. Because of where the engine is placed in the frame a dry sump oiling system might be required. The USAC cars seem to work well with wet sump and an accumulator that would be the preferred method from the cost standpoint.

Both PowrI and USAC are thinking about this class of cars as well as several groups in Illinois and even out on the left coast. It is sure going to be interesting watching people come to grips with this new form of open wheel racing.;)

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Dad seems to be pretty correct on alot of this. Most of these production engines seem to be pretty even in stock configuration(between 175-200 hp ford chevy chrysler honda). If you keep that configuration and limit to rods and springs you keep things affordable and even.

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So you took a regular USAC legal engine 2.0 Focus and was able to upgrade as per D2 rules for 2 grand? I like it...removing the clutch assy. less weight, better pistons and rods for an engine already known for reliability. So I can take a focus, do this and should be somewhat competitive with the 2.4 engines...Would like to know the #'s on dyno. Sure hope this works out cause we were looking at scrapping the complete focus and going Honda. This is way cheaper. Did you do the head yourself?

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Sling

and for around $2000.00 you could buy an good slightly used ECOtec and not worry about heads etc.;)

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Da

USAC flying under the radar is actually sanctioning a group of Midget style cars out east racing all Neon Motors. Kind of like a Legends car deal. Everybody races the same car and engine bought from one guy. They out did us and got a big write up.


Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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what does everyone think about being able to swap parts? like 2.0 head 2.2 block and 2.4 crank. and still be 2.4 displacement. i don't really like it. it takes away from the stock 2.4 motor.

I have a huge problem with the D2 group! In my oppinion there is either a lightning sprint or a midget! There is no in between ! An ecotec is a class that was started and failed!!! And failed miserably! In my oppinion if you want to go midget racing than pony up and do it! If you WAnt your bang for your buck build a lightning sprint and never mix the two! If there is a race such as duquoin than it should be called an open race! And I know all you eco tec guys will start in complaining now but honestly! Is it really a class? Is it going to work? Absolutely not... there is no point! I have a problem of when a single person builds a series up and gets absolutely no recognition for it nor does he ask for it and some guy sits in an interview and lies about mmsa and says false things about it! I believe that mmsa has had the best year they have had in 5 years and multiple races over 25 cars this year . How many races has D2 had over 15? Not very dam many and when they do. It's because mmsa drivers go and race! Get a grip guys . Eother enjoy a great form of racing like lightning sprints or go be a midget driver and quit trying to make something that will never happen !!! Been tried before by much bigger and better groups and it just won't go!

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Bear

Last time I checked a Lightning Sprint AKA Mini Sprint is a Midget chassis powered with a Motorcycle engine. D II Midgets are either Mini Sprints or Automotive Engine powered Midgets. Midgets are Midget cars powered by a Toyota TRO motor. Then you have all the Midget cars powered by everything from Chevy II motors to tall port Esslingers. These things are pretty close except for them darned Toyota's. Mini Sprints are cursed by some people I think because they have wings. Other people will not race unless they have a wing.

You race a Midget somewhere between an ECOtec and a TRO. You probably don't do well against the TRO's. The way I see thing is that class one rung below the TRO's would like to have some place to run. Like the ECOtecs you have branched out looking for other places to race. Montpelier is a great place, heck we can get a Mini Sprint up mid pack in the Main there. We love it, Harold has done one heck of a job their. In fact I think some guy in an ECOtec actually won a race up there.

I hate the term Lightning Sprint. Everything on our Mini Sprint is off of a Midget and on a small track we will give most Midgets a run for the Money. What the heck is wrong with calling my car a Midget. Sounds like you lost one of your tracks for the rest of the year. What I would like to see is a challenge race between the Salem cars and you guys.

I am an instigator, I stir the pot you might say. I for one don't see much difference between your car and a Mini Sprint or ECOtec. I think they could put on one heck of a race together. What we need to do is sit down and see how we could also get the older midgets>>>the Mini Sprints>>>and the ECOtec's racing together. I think it would be great for everybody. But then >>>>>>>>>>. I got a guy that want's to sell me an old Pontiac, >>>>man that thing has some serious torque.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Who wants to race a car and run midpack??? And know that that is winning for you?? That's about as dumb as they come! Who wants to do that!

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Bear

Bear I am the kind of guy that will step up and ask the promoters to let them all race to make a better show.

Last time you ran Montpelier where did you finish??

I took the liberty to go back to Montpeliers results and it looked like one of AJ Felker's Mini Sprints finished right behind you.

I am more concerned with the racers with the old Pontiac's and Gaerte's ,older Esslinger's and even VW's. There are a lot of these motors and Midgets laying around. All of them would compete well with the newer Mini Sprints and ECOtec's and could still put on one heck of a race racing together, racing on small 1/4 mile tracks. Unless you have a newer Esslinger motor even racing at Montpelier you also going to place 5th or back.

If and when people decide to build a special right rear tire for this particular class of Midget the competition will really tighten up. Me I am just watching and waiting:44: There is racing beyond National Midget Racing>>> all you need is for racers to step up and make a change in the formula.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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I don't know how the results turn out down in Florida and Chet's the only guy with an Ecotec who's regularly run at Salem but I've gone out to Illinois a number of times the last 2 years to run with the IMRA and combined IMRA/ILSS/BAM shows and I can tell you that the Ecotecs and motorcycle-powered cars are very closely matched. I don't know what the difference is but motorcycle power wins just as frequently as automotive. At Lincoln two weeks in a row I even found myself running mid pack with a group of Midgets (yes, I consider them all to be Midgets) of mixed motivation. If everybody would get off the keyboards and just race you may be surprised at how it will all work itself out...

Ok....so when the same people who we are trying to start new racing series to get away from....get on board with the program and start winning all of the races again....is that when we change the formula again? Don't you guys think that Toyota,Honda, Chevy, Ford and Kia wouldn't rather just use engine packages like in their street cars rather than build specific racing engines? What do you think will happen then? There are several teams who use and have used the Toyota engines.....but only one team has dominated. Oddly....it's the same team that won races when they had Chevys and when they had Esslingers and when they had Fontanas and when they MoPars. Something tells me it's not just the engines. Trust me....95% of the guys racing aren't a motor rule and tire change away from being a hero.

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Who gets to define what a midget is? Traditionally, going back to the start in the 1930s, it was an open wheel race car with a 66" to 72" wheelbase. The 1939 rule book was all of two pages long. Over the years there have been outboards, motorcycles, auto motors, portions of auto racing motors, and all out racing motors. Rear wheel drive, front wheel drive, even four wheel drive. Front engine, rear engine, and side engine. What has changed over the years is the engine rules, tire rules, and weight rules. While I personally hate wings, they too have had their place in midget racing.
The current national engine formula was negotiated over many years to suit the various whining car owners. Changing it now is no different than when clubs let the Offy in or increased the displacement limit for other types of motors. Wasn't one series known as the "gasket club" for banning the Offy? Minnesota once had a 200 inch limit while everyone else followed the NAMAR package.
As far as swapping heads/blocks around, if you do this a few seasons you will end up with a motley assortment of useable parts. If they bolt together why not race them?

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Bear

I read your post over several times. I "ass"ume you to be a Midget racer with a well worn old Midget, wanting some place to race. But as I read the above post I see a Mini Sprint Racer wanting to find fault with the Division II concept. I am a guy that likes racing Midgets in any form that they might chose to race in. We have raced Mini Sprints for years and Years. We have raced every where from Little Salem with the 600cc cars to the Buckeye 600cc racers under Bill May to the AMSA 1200cc cars under Jerry Teague and them with the MMSA with Allen Ruppethal and Bill May again and lastly with the MMSA under Andy Bradley.

Andy has done a heck of a job with the MMSA fighting an up hill battle with the Economy, and producing some very good races at some very good race tracks. I can remember when the economy prevented him from racing as much as he would have liked, but he kept on racing.

Have you ever raced in any Mini Sprint races? I thought that you raced an old Midget up at Montpelier and had gone out and secured races at other tracks around the area you live in to get more seat time for the Montpelier bunch. Now I read in your post that Mini Sprints and Midgets should never Mix. Well Harold up at Montpelier has been very successful racing the cars together and one of the biggest proponents of this class races a Mini SPRINT up at Montpelier. He swears he will never sit under a wing to race and I keep telling him he doesn't know what he is missing by not doing so.

I might be called a hot head by some, in fact by a lot. For us hot heads there is nothing like Competing groups it always gives us someplace to race when we get "P"'d off. I have always been fortunate enough when I got mad at a group for saying my frame was illegal or my nerf bar was too wide I could always find another group to race with. If you are in fact a Midget racer you should be glad to see the D II concept take root. Lord knows that a good slightly used Gearte could run with an ECOtec. We already know that Mini Sprints can run with the ECOtec cars. There are a couple of kids in Illinois that win regularly racing against them.

PowrI brings a lot of clout to Midget racing 10 years or so ago they were a start up group with no chance of competing with the big boys. Well they managed to survive and thrive. They can bring with them good purses, outstanding Insurance for the racers and a lot more National exposure. Lets work on PowrI to get them to include the 10 year old Midget motors to race and have fun. Some of us do not have the funds to go any further in racing and frankly do not wish to go any further. I am talking about travel time. Some of us do not wish to race as hard as the young hot shoes just passing through on their way to fame and glory. We have jobs and family we hold more dear than racing. It sure would be nice to have a group close to home that we could race at. Lets work on a way to race Midgets and have fun and not have to put the farm in hock to do it.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Leader

You are very correct. Attention to detail, chassis set up, and talented drivers are what is required for victory. These top teams are going to win day in and day out. Those new Chevy's and Mo Par's motors weren't no slouches.

I have set my sites a little lower and I think perhaps there are a lot of other people that do not wish to race in or with the top echelon of racers. Why not develop a class that also prohibits these very high tec motors and allows racers to race with maybe only sacrificing a finger instead of an arm and leg.

Harold is very close to the formula at Montpelier. But in racing there will always be somebody that will sacrifice a lot of money to win a very small prize.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Pole

Unless they develop a supper Tec inspector, nobody will ever know. Check ports for stock>>check bore and stroke for stock dimensions>>check cams for stock lift>>slap them on the butt and move em out. Like Leader said Motor power is not paramount in racing. There are many other things that need to be factored in to be successful in racing. Unfortunately many people do place most of their trust in the engine only.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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we all know that the new rules are to save money. some clubs want to swap parts to make more hp. and save money compared to the purpose built motors. nobody is saying that if KKM ran an eco tec motor he would never win again. that's crazy.

Dad....In the last 46 years I have never seen a rules package intended to save money and increase car counts ever do what the intention was. You tell me today that you feel this is an alternative option, but that is not what you have said in the past. There are already several alternatives to National Midgets available today....why do you feel there should be another ? Especially one that I doubt you have any intention of ever purchasing and supporting yourself. Look at all the different divisions of sprint cars....410 360 carb and injected 358,305 open and racesaver and 2 different crate motors all in wing and non wing. All started because the sport is too expensive and it needs to be saved. I don't know why any promoter pays anyone to come race. They should charge a 100 bucks for the privilege of being on a track. Too much supply versus demand.

I just hope that USAC will adopt some sort of program similar to the Montpelier deal without competing against them and just provide a little series in Indiana for guys to compete in. Whatever motor you want to run and drop the green.

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"I guess Chett is driving one of the last Revolution ECOtec's built."

Dad,
Actually Chett is driving one of the very FIRST ones ever built. After the first production run of engines, Chett called me and said he'd really like one but could not afford an all new one. I put his together from used parts we had laying around. Chett's motor is BONE STOCK internally, and he has put a stupid number of races on it. I promise you that thing is nothing fancy. I would invite anyone to put it on a dyno. It won't make much more than about 210hp.

Chet's just a really good driver.

Of course, nobody wants to believe any of that.:32:

After roughly 14 years....Keith and I can finally agree on one thing....Chett Gherke is a driver of high caliber.

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Leader

For the very first time auto makers are producing smaller>lighter>and much more competitive engines. It is possible to take one of these engines and install it in a Midget Chassis and be somewhat competitive with the National Midget engine costing Much Much more. In the past the automotive engine be it the v8 60>Iron Duke>VW> or Pinto required a lot of modification to make them suitable for racing.

As Keith stated we now have engines that can perform quite competitively even without expensive internal work or for that matter even extensive port work. You haven't noticed the difference. If someone could build a class around a stock block>stock cylinder head>and stock rotating assembly and be competitive with much more expensive purpose built engines, wouldn't it make sense to build a class around it. Chett has proven that this type of engine can win against purpose built motors.

I see he won again using a purpose built engine last night. Lets not put too much importance in driving ability however. Right now his driving ability has seemed to have got him in a little hot water racing with the D II racers (they know that it is the engine and not the driver) The question to them would be how many of them are good enough to win when racing at Montpelier against that class of competition. Good drivers can make a $hit Box look good. I think I understand you feelings for the standard Midget race car. The newer motors are changing every year getting smaller and more efficient with every change. They have introduced ideas like forced induction that has always been taboo in open wheel racing, electronic engine management and electronic injection. All of these changes have gone into the formula that makes them so competitive. I realize for a guy used to looking at a little gauges and popping pills all night long it does not make sense to have a little black box that does the pill popping thing by the mili-second as required.

I don't pretend that that these engines are the cure to everything, but if they make it inexpensive enough for local tracks to support them and aspiring racers could race close to home and aspire to one day make it up to the Major League>>> then they will have done Midget racing a service.

At 68 years old I am slowing down in the doing department BUT that does not prevent my mind from asking why the heck not. I enjoy our conservations.:)

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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"Lets not put too much importance in driving ability"? Usually you say driver feel/setup is paramount; Things may have looked a little more evenly matched last week if anyone else had gone to the top. It also would have been interesting to see what might have happened if Andy hadn't endoed at the start. Would have been fun to see those two go to the front.

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Jim

We call Andy's flip at the start a crap shoot (attempting to win a 27 lap race before reaching the first turn following the green flag). Some times you are a Hero and sometimes a Zero>>just a racing deal. Now as far as the Mini sprint vs automotive engine powered midget. There were several mini sprints that could have kept up with or out run Chett. That race however there were non that could or would out drive him. When you start on the back you have several laps to feel out the track and determine where it is fast when you start up front you are sometimes more concerned with protecting your position, I think that was the case for the Gloria Shipman Race
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Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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