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Does anybody know why the car count is so low tonight? Thought there'd at least be 25. Only 14 showed up, looks like there could only be 11 start the feature.

Not sure either?? Kind of weird Bell is here in Keith kunz's sprint and no kunz midgets! Rico was supposed to be here, he won with MOWA last night up the road in Quincy, and tonight he's a no show? Non wingers are representing pretty good Bacon and Bell front row with Hunter outside row two and Casey Shuman looked pretty good in the JHR 77 tonight to!

Pic of Hagen climbing the flagpole after his win!

Rico was at Indy hanging with Larson and getting interviewed on nbcsc. Pretty damn sad when midgets won't show up to run a 3/8 mile track. I guess the joke was on them since Kunz took a pass and let someonelse win! What's worse is Kevin Miller doesn't think anything is wrong with midget racing. Sorry Kevin, but you can't run Macon and Little Belleville every week. USAC should fire him and re-hire someone more sane like Davey Hamilton.

I'm wondering just where this was a usac event....last I checked it wasn't.

Or was this just dragging someone's name through the mud just for the sake of doing it?

You know as well as I do that USAC sets the rules that other "national" midget groups go by. So yes, they have a direct impact on what happens with other midget associations. He was the one who said what he did not me. So, do you think midget racing is fine then?

USAC midget week: 44 cars at 1/4 mile Putnamville, the next night 24 cars at 3/8 mile Lawrenceburg.

Had a few of them at the Speedrome

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I don't think midget racing is healthy at all, but to blame a person who runs another sanctioning body for another sanctioning bodies low car count is ridiculous at best. I think all that it shows is that POWRI has the same problems as everyone else. This is nothing new. This has been ongoing since the 1980's.

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I guess it's just the larger track, but 14 cars? Makes me wonder if there's another factor going on to this very low car count. Farmington tonight for Powri and definitely a lot less strain on motors there

I've seen some dumb comments on here before, but never as dumb as throwback! Go throw some more back!

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The USAC bashing that occurs on the board is ridiculous. However, this is an time high. This was a POWRi event. REPEAT. THIS WAS POWRI EVENT. You know the group that always has 30+ car count everywhere it goes. The group that is based in the Saint Louis area that always supports its racing when it's close. The group that is going to start promoting Silver Crown cars because everything it does turns to magic.

POWRI, the group that does nothing wrong, only had 15 cars on a Friday night at a Saint Louis area track. So, instead of all of the questions about POWRi that I though we would have, we have someone blaming their poor car count on USAC. ABSOLUTELY AMAZING

The POWRI supporters can not have it both ways. When they do good, they should get credit. When they do bad, they should get the blame. When they do bad, it is not USAC's fault. Because if you used that logic, USAC should get the credit when they do good.

You hit this right on the spot. If this would've been a USAC race, this thing would be on page 10 with everyone wanting to bash them, but since it's not it's almost getting swept under the rug. As far as the race went, it wasn't terrible for the amount of cars they had, but only 8 cars finished. They made the best of what they had, but I definitely wouldn't rate it one of my top midget races I've attended. However, it was nice to see Zach Daum back racing!

I really hope something hasn't happened. Espically as stated earlier only 13 tonight. Kinda concerning for Powri. Doesn't matter the size of the track Powri has always done well. I really hope teams are just taking a weekend off to regroup. Coming to my home track next week and the following week heading to I55 for the Iron Man. Lets hope it picks back up to the mid 30s.

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I don't see the situation getting better next weekend with the Belleville Midget Nationals going on. Also, since many of the drivers live around the St. Louis area, and with the low car counts of this weekend, I would be extremely surprised if many more showed up at Haubstadt 2 hours away. Does POWRi have to guarantee a certain number of cars for a sanctioning fee? If I was a promoter I sure wouldn't want to be paying a heavy fee and only 13 cars show up.

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I agree that something seems to be going on with POWRI this weekend. The 15 car performance was followed up by a 13 car performance and both races were in the Saint Louis area. Did the Speed Week break everybody's budget? Have there been some bad wrecks/injuries? Did the sanctioning group do something to get everybody upset?

I always considered the Kunz cars to be a bonus when they appeared with POWRI. Did POWRI start to expect them at every race?

This weekend should be interesting for midget racing. POWRI needs to rebound from this weekend, but they are going heads up against Belleville Midget Nationals. The midget nationals has a great pay check but struggles with car count. Let's hope that both events can be over 20 cars, but I have some serious doubts.

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POWRI will have a tough time growing and getting new fans if they can't even muster up a full field in their own back yard. I'll be at Haubstadt Saturday so we'll see what happens. If POWRI drivers don't like a 3/8ths track they sure as heck have no business being at Belleville. It doesn't matter to me how many show up as I'm there for the sprinters.

POWRi's average midget car count this season is 36.24 cars per race. And that calculation includes the car counts from Tri-City Speedway and St. Francois County Raceway this past weekend. I hardly think it would be accurate to judge the health of a series by the car counts from one weekend alone.

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Most people aren't criticizing or judging the strength of the series, they are just wondering what in the world is going on this weekend? As you pointed out, averaging over 36 cars per race and then have 13 cars at a tight quarter mile one hour south of St. Louis last night? Something's up

Well that's just my point. Something might be up. Or something might not be up. Let's see what the car counts for the remainder of the season are before coming to an educated conclusion.

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Average car counts is one way to judge the series, and it is a number to look at. However, in order to get a true count you would need to also do the same exercise without all of the co-sanctioned events (USAC, Badger, and POWRI West) and another count without the speed week events. This would give you a true view of the health of the series. The Speed Week counts are definitely spiking the average.

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What's all this talk about low car count? They had 52 modifieds if you count both mod classes. :17::3:

Farmington is not a 1/4 mile track, I grew up going to that track and it's more of a 3/8th mile.

If you do the same calculation leaving out all co-sanctioned and midget week events, POWRi's average car count is 27 cars per race this season. Before this past weekend's unusually low car counts, the average car count was 32.2 cars per race (again, the calculation was done leaving out all co-sanctioned and midget week events).

The interesting part about doing these calculations was seeing how certain events affected POWRi's "base" average car count. The single co-sanctioned race with USAC and the co-sanctioned races with Badger actually brought POWRi's average car count down. The co-sanctioned events with POWRi West and the midget week races brought the average back up.

In my mind, POWRi will be in good shape as long as the average car count gets back up to 30 or above by the time the season is over. But, again, we will have to wait and see how the numbers pan out at the end of October.

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I did as well. Perhaps my measurement is off, but I do know that Tri City advertises as a 3/8 and Farmington because of it's paper clip design has no where the pull on motors that Granite does and that's the point I was trying to make

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Haubstadt is on tap this weekend so hopefully car counts come back up

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Quinn, Quinn ..... paging Andrew S. Quinn

As POWRi's head cheerleader could you fill us in on the reason for the low car counts this past weekend?

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No idea. I was in Indiana all weekend. But thanks for asking. I'll be at Little Belleville on Sunday night for the Arnie Knepper memorial race. Maybe Haubstadt too. Haven't made my mind up yet.

Probably just an anomaly. Racers do have other things in their lives. Some of the teams are probably getting ready for Belleville. Some guys were racing sprint cars. Powri runs a great program and I'm sure everything will be just fine.

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I think the biggest problem POWRi is starting to face is the cost of racing that series. It costs the local father & son team almost if not over $100 to even get into the track anymore. Between your $30 pit pass X 2 and then your fee to pill draw which is either $30 if you are a member (membership is $180 at the beginning of the year) or $50 if your not a member. So your out either $90 or $110 and you havent even hit the racetrack. The paying to pill draw is ridiculous. If you go on POWRi's website they have all kinds of series sponsors on there website yet what do the racers/owners get? POWRi competition is no joke anymore, there is serious contenders. Most of the top 5 anymore are Toyota, Mopar, or Esslinger "sponsored" teams.

You can help but feel bad for the Gundakers what is going through there mind about the Gold Crown now? I'm sure POWRi will have there usual 30-40 cars at Belle Clair but something does need to be done to try and lower the costs of what it takes to race every night. But in the end we all know what were out of pocket every night before we ever leave the garage.

On the other hand though look at what Jackslash Indiana Sprintcar Series is doing. Look at all the incentives there is to race that. Hard charger money, heat race money, free tires, free brake kit, etc... At least you see these sponsors products being giving back to the drivers/owners.

I usually don't get on here and voice an opinion very often most of the time I just read other people's outlooks on the racing scene. But I do think this is something that could possibly help midget racing.

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I don't think Gold Crown will see a slump at all. It never has. It's one of those go-to events for the year.

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Well, after losing two entire Gold Crown weekends in just a few short years, and after losing three big money making late model shows (in about a six week span) this season, I would imagine their thoughts would be something along the lines of "PLEASE, NO MORE :21: RAIN!:15:

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MOWAs Sprint Week was also happening in the area the same nights, and there is a fair number of guys that run cars in both series. I am sure that detracted a small amount from the midget car count. And the weather couldn't have helped much... when a casual racer knows there will either be 110 degree heat index or a 75% chance of 2 inches of rain they are more likely to stay home or go to the lake that weekend.


***Edit...was just informed that MOWA and PowrI were both at Tri City that night... there goes that theory..haha***

MOWA sprint week was at tri city the same night as the powri show.