What kind of car is this??????
 

Just picked up what I beleive is a micro sprint but can't find any info on it. I believe its a Bailey chassis, it is for sure a Kawasaki 600cc motor, has 10" wheels. My questions concern the engine position and drive setup.

The engine is not in the same position as all the micros I see online. This one is facing a different direction. In other words if you are sitting in the car the exhaust ports face the left and the carbs are on the right side... From there the engine is mates to a old shaft drive motorcycle final drive. Then a sprocket from there to the axle..

Anyone know exactly what the heck this is? Thanks in advance

I have an engine like that, from a shaft drive 600 K, don't have much help from there, could just be a 600 mini, that ended up with a shaft drive engine! Bob

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Is there a shaft drive rear end? I've never seen a micro sprint that wasn't chain drive. I wonder about a T.Q. ?

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It is a chain drive rearend. I'll go into a little more detail. From the engine there are two small sprockets which are connected to each other and Feed the motorcycle rearend, which is basically a ring and pinion. From there another sprocket feeds the chain to the rear axle.

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Did this car come from IL? I once saw a bailey micro with a sideways engine. Never seen any other micro like that before. Probably the same car.

Originally Posted by RickyBobby:
Did this car come from IL? I once saw a bailey micro with a sideways engine. Never seen any other micro like that before. Probably the same car.

I beleive it may have!! A Old decal or two were from il.

Is it a blue frame? I know the kids that had it in illinois. If so it is a bailey.

I know he had to add alot of teeth to rear sprocket to make it go

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Maybe some pictures would help in the identification.

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Wes Stafford

Im guessin its the one on the right in this photo

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Sounds overly complex, and for what purpose? Maybe to convert a car that was designed to be shaft drive? I think most rulebooks now days state the chain has to run from the original countershaft directly to the rear axle.

Originally Posted by t_inmyface:
Is it a blue frame? I know the kids that had it in illinois. If so it is a bailey.

It is, is it possible to get any more info on the car? I am really curious as to why it was designed this way?

Originally Posted by t_inmyface:
Im guessin its the one on the right in this photo

It is absolutely that one. Unbelievable you guys identified it and came up with a picture... Thank you all very much.

I dont know how much more info they knew about it. I can get a hold of them and see what they say. They bought it that way. Two diff kids in the same town owned it. I was thinking it came from missouri. And it was already that way when it got to illinois.

Originally Posted by jjones752:
Sounds overly complex, and for what purpose? Maybe to convert a car that was designed to be shaft drive? I think most rulebooks now days state the chain has to run from the original countershaft directly to the rear axle.

I kind of have to agree. I can't make sense of it really, but was thinking someone else may at least have a theory on it. On the rule book thing I took a quick look and thought the car was still legal. The end result is a chain from the shaft style rearend to the axle and the chain is well guarded.... I could be wrong though.

Originally Posted by t_inmyface:
I dont know how much more info they knew about it. I can get a hold of them and see what they say. They bought it that way. Two diff kids in the same town owned it. I was thinking it came from missouri. And it was already that way when it got to illinois.

if it's not to much hassle for you that would be great. It's been bothering me trying to see what it is so this is all a huge help. Thanks

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Just a guess, but the way the engine is offset, way bunch, I'd say they ran the original drive shaft back as far as it would go, then, as it then became a 90 degree drive, mounted sprockets to the original hub, which would already be about a 6-8 to one reduction, so the sprockets would have to be pretty small, at least another 2 to 1 to get any kind of rpm's out of it, again, a big challenge, with little reward! Bob

I was mistaken on where it came from. It came up from tennesse. Cant tell ya any further back than that. The guy in tn purchased it that way. So nobody that has had it really knows why....ha. its def a diff animal for sure.

Pretty sure this car was at my house before when one of my daughters friends owned it. If so it was a Bailey, and I looked it over and I thought it probably had some good ideas. I raced micros for over 25 years and know Floyd and it looked like one of his cars.

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Best I can remember Bob Douglas at Rod End Supply built such a car in the late 80's. Thought it had a Yamaha engine in it. Like several Yamaha's of that time it was shaft drive and he simply turned it and put the sprocket on the end of the 90 Degree drive on the motor. It was a pretty little car but the Yamaha was a little under powered. I would give him a call and see if he knows anything about it.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Originally Posted by BigBoost5.3Notch:
I kind of have to agree. I can't make sense of it really, but was thinking someone else may at least have a theory on it. On the rule book thing I took a quick look and thought the car was still legal. The end result is a chain from the shaft style rearend to the axle and the chain is well guarded.... I could be wrong though.

I'm not as familiar with Micro rules but most Mini/Lightning rulebooks that I know of have some sort of "one chain, two sprockets, direct from countershaft to rear axle" rule in there.
Dad's idea of it originally being a shaft-drive engine makes sense too, although it still would have been easier to run a u-joint adapter from the Kawi's chain drive countershaft to the ring & pinion, like a Kenyon Midget or a Dwarf/Modlite; maybe it was a case of "make do with what you have".

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Jim

Just looked at the pic of the car. The car I was talking about was a 600cc upright w 13" wheels. Looks like that car uses 10" wheels and may be an air cooled motor also. Neat conversation piece but probably not too racy. Too nice to cut up I would call it a keeper.:)

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Originally Posted by DAD:
Jim

Just looked at the pic of the car. The car I was talking about was a 600cc upright w 13" wheels. Looks like that car uses 10" wheels and may be an air cooled motor also. Neat conversation piece but probably not too racy. Too nice to cut up I would call it a keeper.:)

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

it does have 10" wheels but is water cooled.

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Not sure but I think that used to be Cody Rennels car. He raced it in Charleston, IL. He still races there.