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35 raceway Saturday June 13th Non wing mini sprint or any USAC HPD legal midget come join us on the 1/4 mile bullring for exciting non wing racing 300 to win with 10 or more cars for more information go to 35raceway.com or https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ohio-...8?ref=settings

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I think I see a trend developing. ;):):8::6:
Sure hope it takes root.

Tony>>You guys left out the "Ecotec Midgets" Possibly the savior of Mini-Lightning Sprint racers. It is hard to find anybody that races the little Honda right now, but the little Chevy and Ford Focus can be found in a lot of race shops all over the Mid West.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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On Facebook Bear Wood is drumming up interest for a Montpelier-rules race at Union County (aka Whitewater) in July. Also on FB I read that Waynesfield drew 30 cars to the combined HPD/AMSA show last Saturday (excellent) but only 3 were HPD (ouch). Does anyone know who the HPD's were besides Alex Watson, and if either of them were Hondas? Wonder if the ratio is why the results haven't made it onto USAC's website yet. Not bashing USAC at all, there's enough on here for that; just seems like the trend is towards a different, more inclusive platform for the around-200hp bunch.

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Jim

When they get around to a 10" right rear things will all fall into place. Right now Harold is getting more and more Late model Midgets and his need for chain drive and alternate engine platforms will diminish. The budget racer will be once again looking for places to race. The change is great for Montpelier but maybe not for you. Just as in the (Open Wheel Modified class>>> that was hard to say) if we control the cars with available traction rather than Horsepower there should be room for Ecotecs>>Honda>>Focus>>Older Push rod midgets and even Mini-Sprints to race with one another in an enjoyable atmosphere. Hopefully if we can develop enough interest in these Midgets we can cut down on travel to say 100 miles or less for the racer. Like I said a long time ago move Montpelier 100 miles south.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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I have had I think 2 hpd guys say they are coming this weekend....As far as where they are I have no idea this is the second non wing event at 35 raceway in a month last time we had 21 cars or so....I hope its a good trend, Non wing lets the 600s that are being put away or just purchased by a first time racer to be some what competitive and shortens the learning curve of the new guys coming into the sport....also the under budget 1000s can even be competitive... It also loosens the rules and lets us get back to racing instead of separation due to rules we can bring the car counts back where they need to be so the track owners and the drivers are happy.....At least that's what I think...maybe I am off base but just my opinion.....

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Originally Posted by minisprint47:
I have had I think 2 hpd guys say they are coming this weekend....As far as where they are I have no idea this is the second non wing event at 35 raceway in a month last time we had 21 cars or so....I hope its a good trend, Non wing lets the 600s that are being put away or just purchased by a first time racer to be some what competitive and shortens the learning curve of the new guys coming into the sport....also the under budget 1000s can even be competitive... It also loosens the rules and lets us get back to racing instead of separation due to rules we can bring the car counts back where they need to be so the track owners and the drivers are happy.....At least that's what I think...maybe I am off base but just my opinion.....

Mini

In days gone by I thought speed was everything. Over the years I have come to enjoy competition no matter what the speed of the race. The 12" Right Rear that we are all used to racing is great for all out balls to the wall racing. On many race tracks the 1000cc cars can break them loose at will. Looking back into the Midget glory days of the 70's and 80's look at what they ran for rear tires. Some of the best drivers of all times raced on tires smaller than what we run on our left side today. These drivers were great because they had to drive the race car. If I were to place a blame on the demise of racing it would probably be placed on the modern day race tire. Back in the 70's the drivers had to drive their race cars both with their hands and feet and butt. The drivers most of us accuse of cheating are usually the drivers with the best car control.

If a tire manufacture would make an 82" X 10" right rear so the guys could get their stagger right the Modern day Midget would not have much of a performance advantage even over a 1000cc car on a regular slicking off race track. If the track got heavier it would be a different story. Why is Eldora dry and dusty? could it be for better parity for the race cars? thus better racing. Lets lobby for a 10 inch right rear tire and see if we can't get one into production by one of the tire makers and then lets get racing these Alternate Midgets (Division II) "Wayne" together and having fun.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Jim I was at Waynesfield to watch the HPD race and Watson and the other 2 midgets were focus motors. I don't believe anyone around that area has a Honda motor and why would you buy one for $10,000. yea they say that it can run around 40 races on it before freshening it but ive got a Gearte and have less in it than that. also if you change the oil after each race, adjust the valves and don't run it at 10,000 rpm's they will stay together. there has been a kid at Montpelier with a 1000 mini that is running good and beating some of the 166ci cars. ive asked the owner at union county to put a race on to get all types of non wing midgets a place that we can have fun and the payout is decent.

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Originally Posted by bearwood8jr:
Jim I was at Waynesfield to watch the HPD race and Watson and the other 2 midgets were focus motors. I don't believe anyone around that area has a Honda motor and why would you buy one for $10,000. yea they say that it can run around 40 races on it before freshening it but ive got a Gearte and have less in it than that. also if you change the oil after each race, adjust the valves and don't run it at 10,000 rpm's they will stay together. there has been a kid at Montpelier with a 1000 mini that is running good and beating some of the 166ci cars. ive asked the owner at union county to put a race on to get all types of non wing midgets a place that we can have fun and the payout is decent.

Bear
Maybe that (and the fact that a M/C engine won) is why USAC didn't post the results, and now has removed the Waynesfield date from the schedule post-mortem? Gage has been doing well at Montpelier and I think that the chain drive contingent will always have a place at that joint, 12-inch rubber and all; I for one don't need the extra expense of new rear wheels and the loss of a ready supply of cheap "scuffs" from the big boys (Happy Birthday by the way Dad, you chain-yanker, you rabble-rouser). Once I get my front end back together and teach myself to stay on the button next weekend at MMS, I plan to support your effort at Union County and Hopefully make it out to Salem and 35 before the Summer's over. It's great that we're starting to have more options.

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Thanks for all the opinions, I hope all this goes well and we can get back to racing and having good car counts and racing is always gonna be expensive but lets keep it still within the grasp of new guys wanting to come into the sport and not be overwhelmed....After all that's how you make a class grow and car counts increase is by showing people that they too can race and it is possible on a decent budget....These tracks and associations need to understand that instead of shooting them self in the foot ...My dad tought me the K>I>S>S method "Keep it simple stupid" words to live by...again only an opinion.....

The "Glory Days" of midget racing was in the time frame of right after WWII to the mid to late 50's. There has been a slow and steady decline since then. Social, Economic and an emphasis on safety have shaped racing as we know it today. Success and a perceived decline has had nothing to do with the width of the tires.

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Leader

I kind of liked watching AJ> JP>Parnelli>the Unser's>Mario>The Benttenhousen brothers and a bunch of other guys of the later age racing one another side by side, running ChevyII's> Falcons>Porsche's>Sesco's and even VW's. Using skinny little tires> roll bars>shoulder holsters to hold them in place and respect for one another's ability. Those guys could flat drive a race car. Times have changed>>>good racing does not really depend only on large car counts. The car counts help protect the promoter. The fans that once filled the grand stands are gone for good>>>>they have been replaced by fans who love to race, and they are in the pits. Skinny tires do make a difference>>>>if you can't get the Horsepower of that cheater motor to the track because the tread width is too narrow>> all of a sudden the race is in control of the driver and experienced set up man. The cheaters are those guys in the back burning up their hard skinny little tires.

There is another post on IOW about a TQ race that looked like a freight train and about the racers in the bunch did not appreciate some young gun out there racing with them and threatening to mess up their paint jobs and chrome work>> those complainers belong in the grand stands where they belong. If you get the cars to be more competitive with one another and passing and jockeying for position who knows you might get a better front gate turn out.

Now that we have the Horsepower Numbers of the National Midgets Bumping 400+ horsepower isn't it is about time they come up with a 15 or 16 inch right rear tire to help the racers hook up better.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I think you are confusing the glory days of Lil' DAD with the glory days of midget racing. Midget racing was already in decline as far as the amount of cars and races when the era you speaking of came around. Technically speaking though......there has never been at any point in time in this sport as many open wheel cars and drivers as there are right now.

Instead of sitting at home on your phone and pointing out what everyone who doesn't think like you is doing wrong.....why not go to one of the 9 races that have been held during the course of the past two weeks. I think you'll find a driver or two in the mix and enough cars and fans to satisfy any promotor.

Why is 16 to 24 DII cars a good count and encouraging but the same count in National Midgets a sad sight?

I've got news for everyone.....1000's and 1200's aren't new classes and the stock engine or restricted platform is now at least 15 to 20 years old. More than enough time to gain traction and have 30 to 40 car fields.

By the way....all of the motors you mentioned from your youth....were the "Cheater" Esslingers and Geartes of their day. They were exotic and expensive for their time.

I think it's great that 35 Speedway is doing an open wheel class. I have talked to them some and if I had a car together that met their rules or they would have a show that allowed a national midget to compete...I would gladly be a competitor there.

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dad, what about the guys that don't have 400hp national midget motors like myself and a few others in this area. if some of the mini series would let us run we would have a car to run to get our feet wet and then if we want to move up after some seat time we wouldn't have to buy a whole different race operation. I owned a mini and I had more invested in it than what I do in my midget. just saying.

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leaders edge if you got a car together bring it to union county

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Originally Posted by bearwood8jr:
dad, what about the guys that don't have 400hp national midget motors like myself and a few others in this area. if some of the mini series would let us run we would have a car to run to get our feet wet and then if we want to move up after some seat time we wouldn't have to buy a whole different race operation. I owned a mini and I had more invested in it than what I do in my midget. just saying.

Bear

I am all for it. I haven't been trying to pick a fight with anybody. At this point in time we have things preventing us from racing>>>much as we would like to be racing. There is no reason that Ecoitecs>>motorcycle Midgets>>and even slightly outdated Midgets can not race together in a very competitive fashion. The edge racers have always used is MONEY. There are guys racing at Montpelier with very expensive equipment. They run up front>>>there are guys racing with less expensive equipment they run in the middle of the field>>>and then we have guys that run in the back and have just as much fun as the guys racing for the win.

When I say cheater motors it is really a mini sprint jab at some racers. Our motors are already developed to the point that if we were National Midget size the Horsepower would be around 500 Horsepower. However we have racers not winning that insist that the racers in the front are racing with cheater motors and in fact several may be doing so>>>but that is not the reason that I believe brings about their success.

Thank you guys for inviting Leaders Edge over to race with you guys I hope he takes you up on the offer. We have factors preventing us from racing right now if we could we would but that does not prevent me from wanting to improve the class of racing that I care most about.

We have moved to the position now that Kenny Brown of PowrI has helped form a Division II Midget class. That is great for the sport and should be very successful. I would like to think that perhaps I may have helped in a small way of bringing this about...The person that brought this about was and is Wayne Davis down in Florida. Several years ago Wayne and I had a very lively discussion on IOW about the term "Lightning Sprint" he was all for it and I was and am all against it. After debating back and forth for almost the whole winter I think I finally convinced him that the "Lightning Sprint" was actually a Midget. I think I also managed to convince him that 1000cc Midgets and 2400cc Midgets were also very competitive with one another and that they could and should race together in the same class.

When Harold at Montpelier formulated his class for Midgets he decided to handicap the full Midgets by allowing them to race on only a 10" wide right rear wheel rim and allowing the lesser cars 12" wheels and no weigh restrictions. I have raced up their several times and have yet to see the tec guy pull out a $30.00 wheel gauge like used on wheel balance machines to check rim width>>not that it would make much difference.

We have come to the point that now motorcycle midgets and stock block automotive midgets can and do race together.

Now what I am proposing is can we make it so that motorcycle midgets, stock block midgets and even midgets with purpose built racing engines could race together. Kenny Brown in his Genius has found a way to even up the purpose built motors from the very expensive purpose built motors>>the answer is simple race on smaller tracks and because the state of Illinois is full of fast little bull rings 1/4 mile and smaller his series has become a big success. You just can not beat Money and Horsepower at Belleville Kansas, BUT at Belleville Illinois Horsepower is not necessarily King.

We have a lot of old Midgets sitting around Indiana that can't come up with enough Horsepower to run USAC and or PowrI. Or many racers cant find time or money to travel a great distance to a race. Many of the racers in Division II think that it would be unfair to allow these more powerful motors to race with them >>>In fact really that difference doesn't concern me too much but to appear to be more fair why not handicap them to make the other racers feel better about them racing with them and what better way than to use a smaller tire on the drive wheel. Some of the best racers in recent history have raced on small tires and put on some very exciting and talked about race's. Why don't we try it? The professionals require more tire to race on but why does the semi-pro racer need the same tire. At Montpelier there are drivers racing with them right now that could use a 10" tire to its it's maximum. They had to when they started out. A lot of the division II drivers are just starting out. If they would learn to race a lower horsepower Midget on a 10" tire seems to me that when they moved up to the pro's that 12" tire would feel much better to them and they would possess much better throttle control already.

Car counts are better today than back in the 30's--50's that is because as the casual fan has left the grand stand the more avid fans have taken up racing themselves. Many Midget and Mini Sprint races are boring to those of us in the pits imagine how it looks to the crowd. They turn into a giant freight train. How can we get the cars racing side to side again to entice more fans to come back to the front gate?

Big Salem has always been classified a follow the leader race track for Sprint cars>>>there just wasn't any place for them to pass, if you dropped down out of the grove going into the turn it was a very good chance that you would fly over the guard rail on turn exit and that wasn't good. They could not get a field of USAC cars. Just watching a non wing Sprint Car race at that track gave me an extreme case of "Butt Pucker" I don't miss them racing there. >>Along came the winged sprint cars those guys could drive all over that big old high bank track and racing became exciting and a lot less dangerous, and fans in the grand stands are now increasing.


Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Jimmy Caruthers doing what he did best>>>>> check out the right rear tire. These racers raced close and learned to drive their race cars.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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We were there at Waynesfield last saturday , Had a blast 30 cars we never see that back here(east coast area)...
The whole field was real competitive , I only saw 3 midgets also they were pitted down by us and I beleive all focus motors .
I think the way things are right now , it works , so Dad quit trying to chang things , leave it alone , you are just going to make the water muddier that it already is .
We drove over 500 miles to come play won the second B main,started 18th and finished 9th.......with a brand new car and a track we never been to.
That says alot about how competitive these cars are , so we are coming back at the end of july for 2 days to have more fun .

Drivers of equal caliber today run just as close and have just as much car control as drivers of any era past. 2 inch tires or 20 inch tires....it doesn't matter.

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Shopboss, My apologize for hi jacking your post.
I hope you get to wake up every morning so you too can grow as old as Uncle Ed

Jeff Palazzolo

Why is it that almost every time someone posts an event that includes mini sprints, midgets, HPD midgets etc etc it eventually gets hijacked. Started out about advertising a race and shortly turned into ramblings like talking to my uncle Ed at the old folks home!

Yea what he said

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Originally Posted by the visitor:
We were there at Waynesfield last saturday , Had a blast 30 cars we never see that back here(east coast area)...
The whole field was real competitive , I only saw 3 midgets also they were pitted down by us and I beleive all focus motors .
I think the way things are right now , it works , so Dad quit trying to chang things , leave it alone , you are just going to make the water muddier that it already is .
We drove over 500 miles to come play won the second B main,started 18th and finished 9th.......with a brand new car and a track we never been to.
That says alot about how competitive these cars are , so we are coming back at the end of july for 2 days to have more fun .

Visitor

Glad you made the 1000 mile trip to come to Waynesfield to race. You would probably enjoy a trip of 100 miles or less more. Glad you did so well and glad you had fun. I guess since you made the trip you are not opposed to racing Midgets with larger motors. Your car is probably a Midget also with a little different power plant and drive system. You said they had 30 cars but only 3 Automotive powered Midgets. You mentioned that you guys do not draw a large car count to your races. Indiana and Ohio have always been blessed with a lot of Motorcycle powered Midget Race cars. I bet where you race there are a few Midgets parked because like those 3 cars that showed up to race at Waynesfield they can not produce a large enough car count to justify a race. Why not open your fields up to them also.

The cry goes out "Oh My God They have way Too Much Horsepower to Allow them to race with Us" I would guess you were pretty competitive with the Automotive Midgets that you raced with last weekend. OK some Midgets have a little more Horsepower on tap than a Focus can produce. Take for example Ecotecs and the old Pontiacs>>Sesco's>>VW's>>etc. Winning at racing is really all about how much power you can apply to the race track as opposed to how much Power your engine has on hand. For guys with 400 HP Midgets the 12" rear is a bit small and the winner is the driver that can spin his rear wheels the least and accelerate the fastest (a very hard technique to master). Before Montpelier got so good at track prep the Motorcycle Midgets could run up front with the big boys when the track slicked off>>>That is Not so any more, Harold and his crew just do too good of a job getting that track prepped for the feature.

The Midgets in Northern Illinois have been doing a lot of experimenting with smaller tires and seem to have made some headway. Is that right red 70 Racer?

Racers love to race. If you can't guarantee a track about 20 cars are so they aren't too interested in racing you. Many groups have a hard time with this number. A 12 inch rear tire might be just a bit large for D II Midgets. If we were to change to a 10 " tire we would be able to perform very well and would have a chance of leveling the playing field in favor of the better drivers as opposed to more Horsepower. If the lightning Sprint Racers could ever figure out that they too are racing Midgets and would open up their rules to allow that extra 3 or 5 Midget powered cars to race with them It would be a big + for every one concerned.

The National Midgets have got to the point that they need a bigger rear tire again. The D II Midgets could switch to a slightly smaller tire and put on as good of show or maybe better and also allow the more powerful and slightly heavier cars to race also.

The Pic of Jimmy racing was to illustrate that Midgets can race on smaller tires and still do a good job. Yeh>>> we could probably take a 1000cc car and worry the heck out of Jimmy with a good driver in it. Times change.

I think that the Division II Midgets have a bright future, their rules are much more inclusive than either Midget rules or for that matter Lightning Sprint rules whatever a "lightning" something is.

Their are several classes of Midget race cars out there. Not many of them can produce a 30 car field not that you really want one that large. If they would adopt a less restrictive rule package toward one another they could help one another.

By adopting a 10 inch right rear the racers would go a long way in making racing more competitive for everybody. If a 400 horsepower car can make do on a 12 inch right rear seems like a 250 horsepower car could do a good job on a 10" tire. And Yeh Jim Jones not everybody can drive over to Tim's and buy scuffs. And if they did he would soon run out of used tires.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Originally Posted by Shopboss:
Why is it that almost every time someone posts an event that includes mini sprints, midgets, HPD midgets etc etc it eventually gets hijacked. Started out about advertising a race and shortly turned into ramblings like talking to my uncle Ed at the old folks home!

Shop

Thanks>>if you listen to your old uncle a little you might gleam just a bit of truth somewhere in his ramblings. I am sorry that you got so deep into the thread before you realized it had been Hijacked. If you go to user Cp you can turn off this dribble and not be bothered with it. ;):)

By the way 35 is still trying to improve its car count for the Midgets, 20 or so years ago an average field of 600cc uprights there was 30 or so cars.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

"By the way 35 is trying to increase its car counts"

And that is what this thread is about. Guys took the time out of their day to advertise the upcoming race and get others to come race with them. Not about wheel size, horsepower difference or what phase the moon will be in during race time.

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Dad.........New Foz G3......with a few tweaks to run strictly wingless(thanks to the boy's at aero wings/Speed Partz).
Yamaha 2012 R1 .....So it's a lightning sprint......not a converted midget .
We like wingless, but they don't run it much back here , saw the shows going on at Waynesfield and Lima .
Now just found out about the shows at 35 raceway just might have to make a trip up there too.
You can run a 10" r/r wheel if you want , not sure if there is a tire out there .
but nobody is that I know of ...could be a reason for that , we can light up a 12" when we want to .......
Going to try to find out more about 35 raceway .....could be fun.......

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For whatever it is worth we were racing Foz cars when they were called Stealth. We have one of the very few Stealth Midgets that was Built as a Mini Sprint (smaller top rail) by John Godfrey. The race car before that was a Beast built as a Mini Sprint. The reason for switching from the Beast to the Stealth was that John at that time was at the cutting edge of Midget design. It employed all of the Buzz words you guys use today Z link rear suspension>>>Coil over shocks>>>Extremely offset chassis and even Left exit exhaust system with. This was back in I think 1991. Most racers at the time thought this a rather dumb design and when they tried it the couldn't make it work. Now 20+ years later it is considered normal practice. The Henchcraft now from Eagle Motorsports and Speedway Motors is also designed as a Min sprint for cycle motors. It uses the haitpin or wishbone rear sspension and goes so far as to move the left lower frame to inside the rear sprocket to make gear changing easier much like our old Beast Car. The newest entry to Min Sprint chassis would be the Hyper chassis by Mike Dicely. Mike designed a midget chassis and Mini Sprint chassis at the same time. It uses the Z-link but moves the left lower frame rail inside the sprockets to accommodate the changing of sprockets.

That Foz car of yours was also built by John Godfrey now known as Spike chassis for Larry and Scott Fasse. They gave it the name and market it to racers. It is a good chassis but basically as you said a Midget knock off. The Hoosier Speed chassis is simply a Tripple X chassis that is a Spike Knock off made in China to make it more affordable. The Bradley's then make motor mounts and a chain guard to convert it into a "Lightning Sprint". Every thing on a "Lightning Sprint" started out as a component for a Midget even the rear axle.

We now race a FSC chassis built by AJ Felker. AJ was my first driver. Our car is built from the ground up using a special Jigs and Fixtures for a Mini Sprint. Because of his experience racing chain drive cars AJ has changed the rear suspension around to make it more comparable to chain drive. It works pretty good with a wing and is exceptional without the wing on. A most copied race car.

A lot of racers I guess would consider me as a ranter. This rant started several years with a discushion right here on "IOW" with a southern Gentleman by the name of Wyne Davis from Florida. Basically it started as an discussion about an appropriate name for "Mini Sprints" he had drank some KoolAid somewhere and he thought that "Lightning Sprint" was hand down the best name for this type of race car. My argument was "What the hell is a Lightning" and can you name me what parts we held in common with a Sprint Car? Turned out to be the Steering Wheel and Seat and Seat belts. Every thing else came right from a person selling Midget parts out of a midget bin. So I assumed that we were racing Midgets as opposed to "Mini Srint" or "Lightning Sprint". The only difference was the engine and drive system. The really neat thing is that back in the Midgets infancy they also used Motorcycle Motors and chain drive.

It was about this time we attended the first Shoot Out in Tulsa (we lead a great deal of the race and lost out because the last 10 laps had a spin a lap (seems Winged racers don't do too good without their wings until they get a little seat time) Well the right rear glazed over and we fell back and finished second. This was also the first year for the Ecotecs to race the Shoot Out also. I watched their races and clocked them>>>I'll be darned they and us were turning almost identical lap times. I think they only had about 10 cars that time out. I thought heck if we are that close to one another why don't we race together and help both our car counts out.

Wayne did that exactly by making rules to combine Focus>>Ecotec's and motorcycle powered race cars together. He went on to name his creation Division II Midgets. You know sure enough all of these cars did race well together. I also went so far as to sponsor an indoor race in DuQuoin Illinois last winter with all of these classes racing together they were also competitive there.

We have also raced with the National Midgets once at North Vernon Indiana and on 2 or 3 times at Montpelier...Guess what we have always managed to finish just a little better than Mid pack with these cars.

Kenny Brown of the National PowrI Midgets has noticed Wayne's work down in Florida and has with Wayne formed a group of PowrI Southern States Division II Midgets in Florida and Georgia. He has also formed a Division II group in Indiana. It looks as if they just might develop into something.

Indiana is a little different than many states. We are not particularly hurting for car count but we have several Midget Divisions such as Focus>Honda>and even slightly over the hill National Midgets that can't come up with enough cars to race.

The Focus> Ecotec and Cycle cars are pretty close in performance. The old National Midgets might just have a few more beans in their pot than the other cars. Now I start thinking about handicapping something we do with race horses. Weight doesn't work too well because we do pretty good job and are about 150 pounds heavy. Restrictor plates are too complicated. On a slick small track we can give the National Midgets a pretty good race, on a heavy track we loose out. Why not go back to a tire used 20 or so years ago with a 10 inch tread. Races are won in Mini Sprints by the racer that puts the power to the ground and not in smoke. If we changed to a 10 inch tread it would be easier for an underpowered 1000cc car to control than a 166ci Esslinger but a good driver could do it. A novice driver with very little throttle control would just go up in smoke while a knowledgeable driver would just drive right on by. I would just like for those interested party's to think about this and comment. I love Midget racing even Lightning sprint racing, but I am looking down the road.

Could we treat this like a discushion?:)

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Can someone/anyone PUHHHHLLLEEEEZZ give DAD his own forum?! :29: :17: :47:

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Crankin

You are 3 pages in? You know this stuff is really only relevant to those that race these types of cars>>>I would advise just keep on walking nothing to see here approach:5:;). 35 raceway and a few other race tracks are looking for a new lower cost form of open wheel race car to race. Mini Sprints have a few draw backs I have a few ideas to make a better class and IOW is a good forum to express these Ideas. What do you think about combining the several sub classes of Midget racing into one group? When Montpelier was thinking about forming a Midget class we had several long discussions on IOW and they continue to do well.

Honest Dad himself:6::6: