Hamilton no longer with USAC?
 

Has anyone heard why Davey Hamilton is no longer with USAC?

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Only through gossip

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WOW! That did not last very long.

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so Hamilton isn't with USAC anylonger? How does this affect Auto Value Sprints?

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think he had to swallow it before he found out he was allergic to usac kool-aid?

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Check bounced

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Wait for the story in "NSSN">>>> a happening like that should show up there pretty quickly.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Originally Posted by stoney:
Check bounced

You guessing, Stoney, or is this fact?

___________
Wes Stafford

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Most likely a situation where a racer had some good ideas but Kevin was worried it might cost a few dollars and with him scheduled to make a cool 1/2 million this year he has to be careful giving anything back to the racers. To save Brent the time,:39: of defending his drinking buddy YES, I'm beating a dead horse:deadhorse:.... But sometimes I get bored!! And I just love to use those little images at the bottom :10: :5::5: :10:

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Originally Posted by ossuks:
Most likely a situation where a racer had some good ideas but Kevin was worried it might cost a few dollars and with him scheduled to make a cool 1/2 million this year he has to be careful giving anything back to the racers. To save Brent the time,:39: of defending his drinking buddy YES, I'm beating a dead horse:deadhorse:.... But sometimes I get bored!! And I just love to use those little images at the bottom :10: :5::5: :10:

Bill, don't know who my drinking buddy is other than my buddy Coach from Florida that I see about 4 days a year. I saw an interview tonight on the news with Davey Hamilton as he was driving a vintage car at Indy, and he made no comment. Most credible people don' speculate on rumors. I don't know whether it is true or not, so it would be ignorant of me to say why something happened, if I don't even know if it even happened. If I made as much money as you made when you were there I know I would not through stones. While people like you constantly try to tear the sport down, some of us are trying to build it up, and nobody gives me a dime. The second that you fell off the gravy train, you turned on the sport.

Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
Only through gossip

Your always welcome to come and have a cocktail with our racing families. Lol.

USAC NEEDS TO FIRE KEVIN MILLER!!!
Then, hire someone that cares about the sport.
He is absolutely a cancer for the USAC organization. He cares about off road trucks and snowmobile racing more than Sprints, Midgets or Silver Crown.
GET HIM OUTTA THERE!

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:39:

Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
Bill, don't know who my drinking buddy is other than my buddy Coach from Florida that I see about 4 days a year. I saw an interview tonight on the news with Davey Hamilton as he was driving a vintage car at Indy, and he made no comment. Most credible people don' speculate on rumors. I don't know whether it is true or not, so it would be ignorant of me to say why something happened, if I don't even know if it even happened. If I made as much money as you made when you were there I know I would not through stones. While people like you constantly try to tear the sport down, some of us are trying to build it up, and nobody gives me a dime. The second that you fell off the gravy train, you turned on the sport.

Somethings are just to easy.:39:..thank you for the laugh :5:: Her , lets play:34:

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Davey Hamilton confirms the split:

http://www.nationalspeedsportnews.co...sac-part-ways/

I think Kevin miller made a huge mistake

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Originally Posted by Max Revs:
Davey Hamilton confirms the split:

http://www.nationalspeedsportnews.co...sac-part-ways/

Yup, pretty much the same ole same ole. Make a plan and someone puts 20 grand in someones pocket to stop it. He probably didn't even know thats what happened.

Good luck Davey, Kevin will still be happy when two dozen different race leagues are all paying members dues and the core product is long gone.

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Originally Posted by racefan20:
I think Kevin miller made a huge mistake

One of many

What dirt does Kevin Miller have on the USAC directors ? Why can they not see the carnage that he has caused and oust him ? USAC will flourish and get back to where it once was when Kevin Miller is gone !! Even Stevie Wonder can see that

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Originally Posted by streetglider:
What dirt does Kevin Miller have on the USAC directors ? Why can they not see the carnage that he has caused and oust him ? USAC will flourish and get back to where it once was when Kevin Miller is gone !! Even Stevie Wonder can see that

He hand picked the board!

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USAC has a disease and they need to bring in some different doctors to get the cure. This sanction is dieing on it's own vine and the people with the group now are to dumb to see it. :47:

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Since Hamilton showed up, I got a sense that he was trying to ram "wings" down usac's throat.
Years ago, some west coast usac guy named gary sokola came to Indiana to run the sprint car division. He, immediately, started talking about changing everything to "wings". One night at Eldora, sokola was in the mic booth telling the crowd that the usac sprints would be going to "wings" and got booed out of the place. Earl had to get on the mic to calm the crowd and said that he would be the guy who decided if usac ran "wings" not gary sokola. The crowd cheered Earl and sokola wasn't around long. I think he died of a heart attack a few weeks later. ...usac never went to wings.
Certainly, usac has gone purty far down the drain since kevin miller has been there but, possibly, Hamilton's attempt to push his own little league "wing" sprint car club into usac may not have been going over very well.

You got a "sense" huh , but NO facts???? I think Davey knows what USAC stands for & he actually lived it! He cut his teeth in a non winged car & was trying to keep the wheels turning. It has nothing to do with what some guy said on the PA at Eldora years ago.

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BTW USAC ran wings for five years on promoters choice.

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Originally Posted by streetglider:
You got a "sense" huh , but NO facts????

Here's a FACT for ya.... A couple of weeks ago, there was suppose to be a "wing" sprint car race at Salem with a usac sanction that was abruptly canceled about the time Hamilton was on his way out. .......... FACT!... Hamilton has his own little "wing" sprint car club. This would, at least, be a conflict of interest with his usac job and a "toe in the door" to infiltrate his "wing" agenda into usac. ........ For the past many years, Hamilton has been associated with "wing" super modifieds and "wing" indy cars so to call him a non wing guy is quite a stretch.

I don't know Hamilton personally... I'm sure he is a swell fellow.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
BTW USAC ran wings for five years on promoters choice.

wow, really..... what years?? what tracks?? what promoters???

Dude .... Realy ? Are you that young or just ignorant ???? You might want to brush up on your history lessons.

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Originally Posted by mac miller:
Since Hamilton showed up, I got a sense that he was trying to ram "wings" down usac's throat.
Years ago, some west coast usac guy named gary sokola came to Indiana to run the sprint car division. He, immediately, started talking about changing everything to "wings". One night at Eldora, sokola was in the mic booth telling the crowd that the usac sprints would be going to "wings" and got booed out of the place. Earl had to get on the mic to calm the crowd and said that he would be the guy who decided if usac ran "wings" not gary sokola. The crowd cheered Earl and sokola wasn't around long. I think he died of a heart attack a few weeks later. ...usac never went to wings.
Certainly, usac has gone purty far down the drain since kevin miller has been there but, possibly, Hamilton's attempt to push his own little league "wing" sprint car club into usac may not have been going over very well.

Wait Wait Wait!!!! NO NO NO !!!! Please ...if you have to make others think you know something, at least make sh1t up about the living so they can defend themselves....

I was at USAC for Gary's entire career.... Gary did try a few "regional " winged shows at Granite City and a few other places... Gary was the reason for Thursday Night Thunder,... Gary brought pavement sprints back... Gary was part of USAC when it was ran by racers... NOBODY ...NOBODY... had more arguments with Gary than me... NOBODY respected Gary more than me.... He was a RACER!!! He did more for USAC than any other single person... Was he an a$$hole ? Hell yes... Did I love him? Hell Yes!!

Gary made the Hoosier deal and gave all the money back to the racers...Kevin made the Toyota deal and gives nothing to the racers and makes $500,000 per year!!

Originally Posted by streetglider:
You got a "sense" huh , but NO facts???? I think Davey knows what USAC stands for & he actually lived it! He cut his teeth in a non winged car & was trying to keep the wheels turning. It has nothing to do with what some guy said on the PA at Eldora years ago.

Absolutely! Thank you!

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I think it was 88-92 but don't quote me on exact dates. I seen a USAC wing and NW show in the same year at ELDORA, Paragon ran a USAC wing show thats on youtube. Several tracks ran some. USAC wing shows.

Those are the ones I can remeber being at. Let me go look at my record book and I can give you exact figures. on WINGs in USAC.


Or do you ust wanna eat your crow now, Mac?:D

You Tube Video

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Things that make you go Hmmm? Lets imagine that someone had made a deal with like... Jonathan Byrd to sponsor Indianan Midget Week? What if the idea was to have a huge dinner and party to kick off the week? What if this deal was signed, sealed , and delivered? What if ...lets say someone like DH put this deal (and a few others) together? What if Kevin's response was "whats in it for USAC (aka...how can I get my hands on more money?)" What if it was one of several deals with the racers best interest in mind that put no money in the "Detriot Retirement Fund"? Maybe someone had the stones to say ...... just wondering ...what if???

This should absolutely be the last straw for Kevin Miller.
I hate to say this, but if he's not ousted, I hope USAC dies. It's a shame! Such a rich tradition. Used to be the road to Indy. Now, it's a flock of thieves. The racers will still race. No one we care about will be hurt. Someone will sanction the cars we own, know and love.
Maybe Bob Sargent and Andy could team up and continue a good thing going in Silver Crown. Andy as far as I'm concerned is the only thing they have going for them.
Such a shame!

Originally Posted by ossuks:
Things that make you go Hmmm? Lets imagine that someone had made a deal with like... Jonathan Bird to sponsor Indianan Midget Week? What if the idea was to have a huge dinner and party to kick off the week? What if this deal was signed, sealed , and delivered? What if ...lets say someone like DH put this deal (and a few others) together? What if Kevin's response was "whats in it for USAC (aka...how can I get my hands on more money?)" What if it was one of several deals with the racers best interest in mind that put no money in he "Detriot Retirement Fund"? Maybe someone had the stones to say ...... just wondering ...what if???

I can guarantee that this isn't too far fetched. Greedy SOB!
He's a CANCER! ... Cut him out!

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I worked on usac sprint cars from 1963 through 1979. When they started running usac sprint cars on quarter mile midget tracks, I was done with it. I never really remembered that they sunk so low as running wings. How sad

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I attended a winged USAC race at the Jackson VFW Speedway in Jackson, MN. Can't recall the exact year, but was early to mid 80's.

Scamilton's run was short lived.

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1987 USAC National Winged races
Rick Unger 1987 Wing Eldora USAC opener two other shows mid summer and Four Crown were NW
KC June 20 KC raceway
Aug 29 Paragon, Butler.
Races were also scheduled for Williams Grove and Lincoln Winged.

88 Brad Doty Paragon and Findlay it also mentions Butler won wing, non wing and pavement.

Jeff Gordon won his first USAC race at Florence an it was winged. I was there for this one as I was crewing for a couple Bombers and helped Staab a little here and there.

Sorry, I can't go through 50 pages in a couple hours but these were all USAC National Sprint Winged Shows.

USAC also sanctioned Winged Supermods in the 80s.

You do know that the Wings he was pushing was a totally separate series than USAC National Sprint Cars? Its a series already existing that USAC picked up the sanction. Except for the Little 500 NW Pavement Sprints have been dead for the most part for about five years in USAC. The last one I remember was USAC at winchester paired with a Must See show of Winged sprints.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
1987 USAC National Winged races
Rick Unger 1987 Wing Eldora USAC opener two other shows mid summer and Four Crown were NW
KC June 20 KC raceway
Aug 29 Paragon, Butler.
Races were also scheduled for Williams Grove and Lincoln Winged.

88 Brad Doty Paragon and Findlay it also mentions Butler won wing, non wing and pavement.

89 Jeff Gordon won his first USAC race at Florence an it was winged. I was there for this one as I was crewing for a couple Bombers and helped Staab a little here and there.

Sorry, I can't go through 50 pages in a couple hours but these were all USAC National Sprint Winged Shows.

Charles, Lincoln and the Grove if I remember correctly dropped the USAC sanction when they only had two USAC car come east to support those races.

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I am not saying a f-cking thing this time. I am just getting out of the way.

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Originally Posted by ossuks:
Wait Wait Wait!!!! NO NO NO !!!! Please ...if you have to make others think you know something, at least make sh1t up about the living so they can defend themselves....

I was at USAC for Gary's entire career.... Gary did try a few "regional " winged shows at Granite City and a few other places... Gary was the reason for Thursday Night Thunder,... Gary brought pavement sprints back... Gary was part of USAC when it was ran by racers... NOBODY ...NOBODY... had more arguments with Gary than me... NOBODY respected Gary more than me.... He was a RACER!!! He did more for USAC than any other single person... Was he an a$$hole ? Hell yes... Did I love him? Hell Yes!!

Gary made the Hoosier deal and gave all the money back to the racers...Kevin made the Toyota deal and gives nothing to the racers and makes $500,000 per year!!

Correct on Gary. Thank you!

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Originally Posted by davidm:
Charles, Lincoln and the Grove if I remember correctly dropped the USAC sanction when they only had two USAC car come east to support those races.

Book says Rain. I do know Staab, Butler, Nemier and a couple others Elliot? House? attended all, Winged, NW and Pavement. One year was 20 races total