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I heard their comments on Qualifying day saying that short track drivers can no longer compete at indy level.

Wow, I've since heard that they are continuing these comments on radio shows, Indycar programing.

With Openwheel friends like this, Who need's enemies? And they wonder why they almost can't fill a 33 entry grid.

BC has turned competitive laps. And been fast enough You've got 15 teams out there that got 40 years of engineering data to fall back on. Somethings happening in the car that isn't transferring to the extra two or three mph they need. At those speeds it could be a stick of gum in the sidepod creating drag.

Yeah Charles ....
I heard the same crap too !
where do they think that Ed Carpenter cut his teeth? They disrespect us and our sport.
I hope Carpenter & BC both, makes them eat Crow on Raceday!

I don't hear Hamilton stepping up and going to bat for them either unless I missed that!

Too bad that 2 Americans had to battle for the last spot.
But at least there are more than just a few running in it this year. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Them guys are idiots need to get rid of both of them

I worked at team Menard when Cheever was in one of the cars he is one of the most disrespectful, egotistical, ******** to ever drive a Indy car. He treated everyone like crap and John Menard almost parked him just before the race. Scott I don't know was gone from Walker racing already when I was there but does surprise me he is talking like this. There is a way to voice your displeasure call the speedway or post on there web about these to idiots. As everyone knows talent gets overlooked at Indy car all you need is a wheelbarrow full of money. Hope Bryan and Edd do well but deck is stacked against them. Would not hurt for Davey H. To have talk with Indy Car and speedway about this.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
I heard their comments on Qualifying day saying that short track drivers can no longer compete at indy level.

Wow, I've since heard that they are continuing these comments on radio shows, Indycar programing.

With Openwheel friends like this, Who need's enemies? And they wonder why they almost can't fill a 33 entry grid.

BC has turned competitive laps. And been fast enough You've got 15 teams out there that got 40 years of engineering data to fall back on. Somethings happening in the car that isn't transferring to the extra two or three mph they need. At those speeds it could be a stick of gum in the sidepod creating drag.

From the book "Stand on the Gas" by Joe Scalzo, 1972

"to which Johnny Rutherford replied, "Driving sprint cars does not teach you how to drive an Indy car. It teaches you how to be a Race Driver."

Tim Simmons

I couldn't agree with you guys more. While I respect what they have done at the speedway, thoughts like what you guys have described are ludicrous! I must reiterate what I have stated in the past. Sprints, midgets, and big cars have historically produced many of the greatest racers of all time. It's almost like they didn't do it so they got to be little it. If what they say is true, I ask how would they explain foyt, unsers, Andretti, Stewart, Gordon, and many others, cut from this cloth? And if you think Larson, bacon, sweet, and a number of todays young drivers couldn't do it, you're kidding yourself. The only thing these guys don't have is that magic money wheelbarrow!

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Originally Posted by flagboy55:
I couldn't agree with you guys more. While I respect what they have done at the speedway, thoughts like what you guys have described are ludicrous! I must reiterate what I have stated in the past. Sprints, midgets, and big cars have historically produced many of the greatest racers of all time. It's almost like they didn't do it so they got to be little it. If what they say is true, I ask how would they explain foyt, unsers, Andretti, Stewart, Gordon, and many others, cut from this cloth? And if you think Larson, bacon, sweet, and a number of todays young drivers couldn't do it, you're kidding yourself. The only thing these guys don't have is that magic money wheelbarrow!

Flagboy Man You have hit the nail right on the head :6: Cheever and Goodyear couldn't carry most of our dirt trackers helmets

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I am not a fan of Cheever or Goodyear. I think that they are both egotistical jerks.

I did not hear any of their comments.

However, we all have to realize that there are two ways to get to Indy cars. 1. A barrel full of money. 2. Success in the formula series, indy lights, etc. The days of owners looking to the local dirt tracks for the next big thing are over. If it was not for the USAC/Indy car sponsorship money that BC won a couple of years ago that he would have never made the transition. We can complain all we want about how all of our favorites started on dirt, but times have changed.

To use an analogy, Kyle Larson, Rico Abru, and Christopher Bell have all made/ are making the transition from the local track to stock cars. None of them went from Eldora to the Daytona 500. Larson went from Eldora to late model pavement races to K and N East, to trucks, to Xfinity to Sprint Cup. Rico and Bell are now making the transition and are running late model pavement races and K and N East.

I hope that BC has a great race day. He is one of my favorite drivers. However, how many pavement races has he done this year? How many times has he been a car that was going 150mph or 175mph much less 225mph. Going from Eldora to the Indy 500 is a huge jump. The two jerks may have a point.

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Well I would say this about Indy car racing. Did you see the number of people that they had at the track the road race a few weeks ago? They had more people at that baseball game they played in Baltimore. So I think they need to take a good look at what they are doing other then the 500 race. Be it the numb nuts in the booth to a lot of other things

A shame, great talking heads for the Indy 500, but maybe a misspoken opinion about dirt trackers. It was ALWAYS the way to the big race to come up thru the dirt track ranks, how can they overlook that?

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I wonder why they didn't rant on Davey Hamilton too? Heck, he drove those weird cars with the engines hanging out. Oh wait. He still does :) Racing at the highest levels has become a complete joke. I find it hard to watch any off it anymore. I know I'm bias, and by no means is he the only one, BUT. Someone with the talent, and record of BS III, shouldn't have to still be barnstorming the country trying to eek out a living. So far this year he's raced, indoor midgets, NWMT, Oswego Supers, ROC Mods, Winged Sprints, Champ Cars, etc. I'm sure there are other drivers who have done the same. BC DESERVES everything that's being offered to him at Indy. We should of seen DD there, T.Hines and the lists goes on. Instead we have the sons, and grandsons of past drivers with unlimited funding. And trust fund kids who's families move to NC to chase the dream. When the average fan realizes that they will never have the chance to compete. No matter how great they may be, they will quickly move on to another sport. I believe it's why the number of seats being sold for races is way down, and dropping every year. Add a couple of yaking buffoons in Goodyear and Cheevers, and you get what were seeing now :( I don't care what the teams have to say. INDY should be able to bring 40 cars to qualify. They just don't try, and those who would be interested in a one race deal see all the BS and decide to pass.

I was reading the Boston Herald today and it was announced that Indycar is planning to race on the Boston waterfront in 2016. It would only be 20 miles away from me. But I don't care. This how I feel about it :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

Hope everyone has a great week out in Indiana chasing all the races this week :6:

Jonr, you make a valid point. I'm not saying there wouldn't be a learning curve. I don't remember the king of the outlaws having a real tough time with it when he ran there. I think what pisses most of us off is the condescending tone of these guys, like the guys I mentioned don't have the ability to do it. It's very easy to see that is simply false, history proves it. And the guys we've seen recently at Eldora, and Terre haute, and irp, continue to prove it.

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I still say Bullcrap to their comments and views.
Wasn't Larson on the Winning team of the 24hrs of Daytona? not only that, I believe he made the pass for the lead at least twice. Probably nothing closer to Indycar in America than the GP.

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Didn't Kurt Bush run last year?

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Originally Posted by The Klavern:
Just curious.....how many of you white robe and pointy hat wearing Hoosier rednecks think your dirt track hiros can jump right in and take Scott Dixon, Will Power, Ryan Hunter Reay, Tony Kanaan, and Sebastian Bourdais etc, on the road and street courses. I know, I know.....it just ******* kills you all the the truth is there are bunch of furriners that are better in that particular discipline that those coiled snakes in their 410 sprints killing it at Eldora by God......'Merica.

Really, you join today and try to start crap. Go away and I hope no one else pays attention to you or replies so you will not be noticed. Bye. :6:

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Just a Indycar troll who also today made excuses for the price increases for a race that may not get a full field next year.

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There is no doubt in my mind that many of our short track drivers could be successful at the Speedway if they were given the same opportunities that some of these trust fund candy asses have been given. Perhaps someone could inform Cheever and Goodyear that Sprint Car and Midget guys are at an aero disadvantage because of the trailer they have pull behind them for their cajones:21:

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This is what you get when you take the Silver Crown cars out of the points championship. And attorneys running the show.

Lynn

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Context or not, The way they were stating it was that Short trackers couldn't cut it at this level.

I agree several things are different. Leaning the car out on the fly by push button, shifting, Draft and other things but I see INDYCAR DOING NOTHING TO IMPROVE the the number of participants.

Having a Simulator or even a couple track cars that could be leased a few times a year could help someone seeking to make indy and also give that someone the incentive to go out and secure the fund or team to get there in the first place.

Really, Bump day used to be a dozen or more trying to knock their way in, Not one car that didn't have much of a chance in the first place.

If it was all that popular anymore other than being a one day "Festival" despite the $$$ they're be more than enough to try and coverage would be greater than a web stream half the people that have cable cant even get access too.

Remember when Qualifying had a hundred grand in the stands? I bet there wasn't a weekday MLB crowd.

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Originally Posted by The Klavern:
....your dirt track hiros....

Typo by an illiterate or intentionally thrown in there for nostalgic purposes, THAT is FUNNY!

Indy car racing is still around? Who knew?

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Read the rules of the site or go away.

And for facts, More people attend short track racing. Sprints, Midgets, LM's Mods, Street stocks. IN ONE WEEKEND.

Than a entire season of INDYCAR and NASCAR combined.

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Yet you fail to mention it was Cart and their franchise rules etc that went under. Not Irl.

Kla, you shouldn't get so worked up. The fact you have to resort to inappropriate language is proof that in fact you are not the smartest man in the room, or chat room in this case. The facts, in spite your attempt to slander them, remain the same. The greatest wheelmen of all time have been produced by the ranks of sprints, midgets, and silver crowns. And if you can't see that, then you are even more disillusioned then your posts have led us to believe, or you know nothing about the history of our sport.

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Originally Posted by HARFprez:
A shame, great talking heads for the Indy 500, but maybe a misspoken opinion about dirt trackers. It was ALWAYS the way to the big race to come up thru the dirt track ranks, how can they overlook that?

I would once like to see the shoe on the other foot and have "Indy Car" guys show up at Knoxville or Eldora and see if they can make the show, heck they wouldn't make a 305 show on a regular Saturday night let alone the Nationals or Kings Royal. I bet they would soil them selves in fear at the moment they first drop the green flag. Silver spoons creates uneducated opinions. It took Jackie Stewart one moment at Eldora strapping into a non running sprint car to change his mind!

As I recall BC has run Indy Lights races, and done well, started an Indy 500 as well as NASCAR (Busch or Nationwide whatever it was called at that point) so it is not like he has no experience with high speed machines. As for having not run any pavement races this year that is a valid point. However, every year there are drivers who show up at Indy and that is the only race they run the entire year.

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Originally Posted by The Klavern:
Like I said you dumbass rednecks got fooled by Tony George. You killed the golden goose. Had he left things alone it would have continued kicking. But, no, he had to sell that "All 'Merican, short track hiro ********.......all in order to take total control. All he needed was IMS and he would have been fine. CART, with all of it's shortfalls, was able to bring in sponsors and followers. CART couldn't exist without Indy and the series will not be taken care of as it should when attached to Indy.......we are right back to where we were with USAC control before the white paper was written.......and you wonder why it's the way it is. You supported, you can keep swimming among the turds.....and keep wonder why Joe Bob John Deer Dribber is still stuck at Paragon during the Month of.....oh Glorious Ten Days of May.......you stupid ass fuckers.

I fail to understand how this miscreant has remained on this website this long, anyone want to second the motion, I make a motion he be deducted from the right to spray his garbage on here! Bob

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Originally Posted by Blackduce:
This is what you get when you take the Silver Crown cars out of the points championship. And attorneys running the show.

Lynn

ABSOLUTELY

Tim Simmons

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Originally Posted by The Klavern:
Like I said you dumbass rednecks got fooled by Tony George. You killed the golden goose. Had he left things alone it would have continued kicking. But, no, he had to sell that "All 'Merican, short track hiro ********.......all in order to take total control. All he needed was IMS and he would have been fine. CART, with all of it's shortfalls, was able to bring in sponsors and followers. CART couldn't exist without Indy and the series will not be taken care of as it should when attached to Indy.......we are right back to where we were with USAC control before the white paper was written.......and you wonder why it's the way it is. You supported, you can keep swimming among the turds.....and keep wonder why Joe Bob John Deer Dribber is still stuck at Paragon during the Month of.....oh Glorious Ten Days of May.......you stupid ass fuckers.

I second the motion. Block his IP Address. Thank you. :21:

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Eddy and Scott are right! Those American circle trackers just can't adapt to the rear-engined cars... looking back over the years, we can see, historically, how poorly they have done. Good examples of this are: Parnelli, Roger Ward, Bobby Marshman, Lloyd Ruby, Al Sr, Bobby Unser, A J, Mario, Gordie Johncock, Johnny Rutherford, Tom Sneva, Al Jr, Jim McElreath, Billy Vukovich Jr, Pancho Carter etc... all of these guys really embarrassed themselves at Indy ..... didn't they????

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Soooo, what the two primadonnas are saying is the if you have a rich daddy or big corporate sponsors but little racing experience, its easier to adapt to Indy cars that if you have hands on, real racing, gut wrenching exeprience......IF Bryan clauson was not in the race, I'd rather slam my fingers in my car door than watch it.....Those two jerks should comment on the short crowds, the shortening of the days surrounding the race and the fact that almost nmore tickets are "comp" tickets than bought tickes......and there is a good reason for that.......real race fans don't wanna pay to watch the "cheese wheel" generation drive around in their "purchased" rides

Here's something I have always thought of when people say dirt trackers can't make it. You only have to look at one family ( the Andrettis) to see how driving a sprint can help. Mario drove everything on dirt and was successful, moves on to a F1 championship, wins Indy and a few championships along the way with success in other disciplines. Michael comes along and never touches dirt therefore never touches the Borg Warner trophy as a driver either, had a few successful seasons in cart and a laughable try at F1, Marco doesn't touch dirt and is following in his fathers footsteps of not being that good. To me that says it all, Mario even credited his ability to drive F1 in the rain to driving sprints on the dirt it gave him peddle control along with the steering adjustments needed. Indy car is a joke, give me 20 sprints at THAT any day over 33 at indy

If you think the reason Michael Andretti never won Indy was because he didn't race on dirt, and that he wasn't a very good driver, I really don't know what to say. 😳

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At $5.00 dollars for bottle water you no longer need talent..