Tony's #20 USAC Sprint Car
 

What is up with the #20 car owned by Tony Stewart? Is he still running it and if so who will be the wheel man?

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Last I heard no USAC stuff.

Same hear, just am hoping it's not true.

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Heard late last yea that the 20 wouldn't be racing this year.

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There's a reason guys and team owners are running more and more winged stuff. There's a better return on the investment.

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If that was the case, Indiana would never have went back non winged when car counts dropped to single digits.

I just got a response back from TSR stating no USAC stuff for 2015, so hopefully 2016 they will field a car.

It was always nice to see the #20 hauler pulling into a local dirt tracks. Thanks tsr for all the great things you do for us racing families. Good luck to all tsr racing teams .

20 years ago

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Bryan Clauson- winged stuff
Hunter Schuerenberg- winged stuff
Brady Bacon when he runs his own car- winged stuff
Team Foxco the last two years or so- winged stuff
Keith Kunz's sprint cars- recently have only had wings on them

I think it's great that the local tracks are NW, the racing is better and it's more affordable. But the trend for the guys that run sprint cars for a living is to run more winged stuff. That's all I'm getting at.

The winged guys in PA make almost 3x as much for a regular weekly win as IN wingless guys

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Those PA guys are also spending 3X the money to be competitive!

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What I was trying to say is, You better have absolute top equipment and be one hell of a driver to ever reach the return on investment status winged. I don't see many without 15 years experience and a great horse under them running top tens.

Drivers, racing someone else's car. perhaps yes, splitting 3000 is more than 12-1500

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Only equating the purse structure in to what form of racing is most beneficial for a team's ROI is short sighted. The teams / drivers that are successful in making this a viable way of making a living understand this. Not saying one is better then the other from that standpoint but more goes into the equation then just what it pays to win or start an event. I am willing to guess that a team that is successful generate far more income from sponsor / branding opportunities then they could ever hope to generate from purse structure. That is unless you ask Donny Shatz ;)

Just my 2 cents for what it is worth.

There is no question that great Sponsors make it feasible to field a top notch car with or without a wing! Purses have continued to rise in Winged racing, but have went stagnant in Non-Wing racing! That is why more and more drivers are putting a Wing on that are trying to make a living at Sprint Car racing! Dave Darland is one of the few of the last 10 years who has made his living driving Non-Wing Sprints with a few Champ Car and Midget shows mixed in! Even Dave, has to have a part time job in the Winter. If Williams Grove pays $3,000 plus to Win for a weekly show and $300 plus to start. What can we do to help our Non-Wing Purses go up? Bring a friend to the races with you! Winged racing draws bigger weekly crowds in those areas.

I'm curious how the ticket/pit pass prices in Pa compare to those in Indiana and how the fans in Indiana would react to a sudden increase in tickets to help raise to purse?

Roger, just looked on the Williams Grove Website. Opening night/ Regular Winged 410 Show is; $15 for Adults 21 years of age and older! $10 for Youths 13-20. 12 & Under are Free!!! So They are letting more people in for less, maybe that's why their crowds are bigger and sell more concessions and merchandise. JMO.

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Some interesting reading

http://www.williamsgrove.com/divisions.htm

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You're seeing people go Winged racing due to the marketing aspect of it. Purse structure, eh, has some to do with it, but not as much as you'd think.

A birdie told me a few weeks ago that they've gotten more exposure running a limited winged schedule than they ever did running non-wing.

It's easier to find sponsors, especially national ones because winged sprint cars are everywhere. Non wing is a niche (that I love!) but it's only in Indiana, and California. I know Texas and the midwest have some non wing series, but not the 410 variety.

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Here is Lincoln Speedways 2015 Purse for 410 Sprints. I thought Williams Grove was paying 410's $4000 to win with a 20k Points Championship.

Pos. Purse
1. $3,200
2. $1,600
3. $1,200
4. $1,000
5. $900
6. $825
7. $675
8. $575
9. $525
10. $475
11. $425
12. $350
13. $325
14. $300
15. $300
16. $300
17. $300
18. $300
19. $300
20. $300
21. $300
22. $300
23. $300
24. $300

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Some are spending more. Don Ott built Fred Rahmer an Outlaw killer motor that was rumored to cost over 90k a couple years ago.

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The huge billboard on top of a wing car has to look attractive to sponsors as well.

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I don't think there is anything in the world or humanly possible that could make that thing look attractive!:D

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If racers want more money why do they not support higher paying races?

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bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!

Racers look for the pay throughout the entire field. Just because a race pays $10,000 to Win doesn't mean it is a great payout!

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One has to watch Night 2 at East Bay USAC race. Best race of Speed Weeks. Definitely not follow the leader like a winged race on a hard, dry, slick track. This type of racing that USAC produced that evening is what puts people in the grandstand. People in the grandstand puts money in the purse. This non wing racing is why New Jersey and New York tracks are going to try a non-wing sprint car class next season.
Eddie :22:

Eddie....I beg to differ. For some reason no one has put up any footage of night 2 at bubbas. Our team took 2 cars down for two weeks and I have to say it was some good racing on this night, not black slick follow the leader. I think a lot of theses tracks that take that extra effort to work the track, get the cars therefore get the stands filled. Don't get me wrong we had good racing, but IMO puting around the bottom is not fun to watch. The rest of your post is spot on...

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All the USAC Sprint Car races from Florida have been posted on http://www.usacracing.. Check them out there.

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So I guess that means you should be at all them 500 to start 100 tow USAC races huh?

Yet you'll be a the 175 to start 75 tow show with twice as many cars and thats why purses never rise

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David There was something about that killer motor in Sprint Car& Midget Don Ott owned that motor and said he would build one like it for 42 big ones Still a hell of a lot of cash :6::6:

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I agree with you. I have just noticed when there is a big paying race, that usually the track that pays less money gets more cars, even if the bottom end is much less. What do you consider a good purse, and which shows in IN do you consider the top paying?

Honestly our payout at Twin Cities Raceway Park is great throughout the field and rewards you for running inside the Top 10! It is not all on top!
$1000,700,600,550,500,425,400,350,325,300,275,250, 225, 14.-20. $200. The Open Tire Rule is attractive too! American Racer Tires are great for varying track conditions and hold up, but cost much less than the competition.

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that was a few years ago. the motor had a billet block and i believe the cost was around 60k. the motor was immediately banned. ott wasnt happy.

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You gotta run the cheaper American Racers as you must budget at least 1 cut tire a night at Twin Cities!:)

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Wouldn't a race like the Smackdown that pays $10,000 to win and a $1000 to start be considered a good payout. There are a lot of winged shows that don't pay that good. I do understand your tire loyalty might make you feel at a disadvantage at a show like this, but this also seems like a nice payoff to me.

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Kokomo & Fremont Sprint Car Payout
1. $1400 1. $2500
2. $875 2. $1300
3. $700 3. $1000
4. $625 4. $750
5. $500 5. $650
6. $400 6. $550
7. $325 7. $500
8. $275 8. $450
9. $250 9. $425
10. $230 10.$410
11. $220 11.$390
12. $210 12.$375
13. $200 13.$350
14. $190 14.$325
15. $180 15.$325
16. $175 16.$320
17. $170 17.$315
18. $165 18.$310
19. $160 19.$300
20. $155 20.$300

I just picked one wing and non wing weekly purse at random. The wing purse is almost double. That shows you why alot teams are putting wings on. I doubt it cost double to run winged cars.

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That's Okay by me. :6:
I'd rather see him (TS) sponsor/create some High $$$ non-wing events,
rather than take the money from them with his own team of unlimited funding. I'm not just picking on him either but any high dollar corporate fielding of a non-wing car.
I am thrilled that he participates in promoting, racetrack ownership and now sanctioning.
He's given back so much more to the open wheel and this sport than the others before and after him have.

The Smackdown is a good payout, but you have to spend 3 days with food, hotels, etc. to get a shot at it.

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I'm gonna miss watching Clausen drive wingless, & doubt if he'll do as well with winged cars....