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Just a reminder that this event takes place on February 7th and is open to Division II/Sportsman Midgets and Lightning Sprints.

Some of the cars coming so far are Kenyon Midgets, Ford Focus or the new Honda Developmental Midget Program for USAC, and Ecotec.

So far we have drivers coming from the BAM series and Engler IMRA and I know I have missed at least one more midget series. The MMSA, ILLS, WIMS and AMSA lightning Sprint Series. If anyone knows of any series I have missed please let me know.

If you have any questions about the race or rules please send me a PM.

The big thing on rules is we will not allow any National Midget engines such as one used in a USAC or POWRI at this event. We want to keep the rules simple and at the same time allowing everyone who shows up an equal chance to win this event.

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I see that here it says that it's a DIV 2 race but Friday I received the entry form and rules for this race and it has it listed as a lightning sprint race only. So which way is it?
The only reason that i'm saying anything is that there was a big discussion about changing the rules in mid stream like at the Shootout.

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Bobby

I just got my rules and entry form in the mail Saturday and you are right, not a mention of Sportsman Midgets.

I have been in contact with Jay and Steve Nace's assistant they says any stock block UN-modidied head Echotec , Focus or USAC Honda or Kenyon Midgets are welcome to race at the DuQuoin race.

Steve Nace the guy promoting the race is a hard guy to track down I am going to send him an email today and try to talk to him in person. Jay seems to think that using the term Midget in advertising the event may cause problems and step on toes. I for one do not know. I am sure that at the last race Steve agreed that it would be a good idea to include the Sportsman type Midgets in the show also.

We don't want a Tulsa type deal again. I suggested to Jay that the Midgets could run under the rules of the club they raced with, and that does not include Tulsa Shoot out rules, either the 2 rule version or the new improved 3 rule version. We would like to see the driver and car listed on the race results for that group last year.

Maybe we should adapt the Florida rule package My big concerns would be big bore big head motors and as far as I know no one can race that type motor in the Mid west. Montpelier??? maybe but I don't think any of their Sportsman Echotecs, Focus, Kenyon cars are out of spec?

Any Ideas??

This race is meant to help Midget car racing in the mid west if any of you Midget guys planing to attend have a question do it on IOW then we have a "Paper trail".

I will probably be the tec guy but would welcome tec's from other groups also.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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[QUOTE=bobby01;402709]I see that here it says that it's a DIV 2 race but Friday I received the entry form and rules for this race and it has it listed as a lightning sprint race only. So which way is it?
The only reason that i'm saying anything is that there was a big discussion about changing the rules in mid stream like at the Shootout.[/QUOTE\
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Even though the flyer does not mention Division 2 midgets they are welcome to race this event. I know the flyer is confusing and I have tried to talk Steve into changing it but he is not going to do that. Steve did tell me to make sure that everyone does know that the Division 2 type midgets are welcome to race this event.

Like Bill (DAD) mentions below if you go with either the rules in your organization or the Florida rules you will be fine.

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With Badger adopting a stock block rule I think perhaps these things might be coming around. Just as we are allowing the big block guys (if 2.4 liters is Big). I do hope they make room for the chain drive cars also. Competition will take care of what people will eventually decide to race. If I get my butt beat by a stock block Echotec I would probably be thinking about switching over and vice versa. I Think these cars are so close together right now that they should race very competitively with one another and isn't that what we are all really looking for? :6:

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Just was informed I left off the AMSA Lightning Sprints who will also have drivers attending this event.

This is the updated list of the different series that will have drivers at this race.

BAM, Engler IMRA, Kenyon and USAC Honda Regional Developmental midget series.

MMSA, ILLS, WIMS and AMSA lightning Sprint Series.

If I left any other series off please let me know?

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I also need to get the word out to everyone if you have raceceivers to please bring them to the race. It is not mandatory but it would help keep the races moving if we can have most of the cars using them.

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Jay and racers who plan to race at DuQuoin Center on the 7th of Feb.

I envision this race as an invitational race. It is billed as Lightning Sprint (I Hate that Name) Race.
We are also inviting any and all Midget sized stock production blocks Midget race cars to race with us also.

The rules for the Motorcycle powered car will remain as Steve wrote them.



To keep things simple to tec and to understand the following rules will apply to the Midget shaft drive cars.

1. Frame must meet minimum requirements for the race.
2. The tire wheel rule shall be open to all competitors. 13" wheels only.
3. Minimum weight for shaft drive cars shall be 1100 pounds with car and driver at the completion of the race.
4. Motor inspection will require the removal of 4 spark plugs and air filters.
...a. With a bore scope we will inspect ports for ANY AND ALL signs machine work or grinding we will expect to see casting marks in the ports. Cars with plenum injection may be exempt if we can not view ports from the throttle body. Their Throttle bodies will be checked for stock configuration and size.
...b. Focus powered cars get a pass on this (porting is allowed).
...c. Kenyon Midgets will more or less be racing under the same rules as stock block shaft drive race cars.
...d. IRS racers will not have to race with restrictors designated by their club the USAC Honda racers will be expected to have the proper sized restrictor in place. (help me out here guys???) our intent is to keep it simple.
...e. The minimum weight for a 600cc powered upright Midget will be 800 pounds car and driver at the end of race.

If any of you guys with the IRS want to come down and race we will sure try and find some nice used (already been tested tires) for the back of your race cars free of charge. Just let us know, much better than throwing them out going down the road.

I did not include any type of purpose built race motors. I personally wish I could invite you guys down also, but just Echotecs and Focus will be a little distasteful to some racers. You have no idea just how bad some of these chain drive guys feel about drive shaft driven cars.:);)

If you have any suggestions "IOW" is a great place to make them on, our rules are a little longer than Tulsa and I know some people will not like them, lets all get on the same page and get out and freeze our butts off and have some fun.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I was looking at bringing my 600 upright to this race, is 1100 pounds for my car weight too. just asking because I would have to add 250 pounds to make weight. I do not think a 600 will push that much weight to stay up with the other cars.

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mud

If you could get a 20 inch seat to fit inside the left nerf bar I would be glad to furnish my bod as left side weight. My feelings on 600cc uprights my favorite race car would be 800 pounds car and driver at the end of the race. Is that agreeable to you, when we started 600cc uprights it was 750 pounds, that was way too light for full size drivers. You are racing a Full size Midget chassis right? Are you from down around Linton? 1200cc mini sprints-motorcycle powered is minimum weight of 900 pounds at the end of the race, a little light for us but that is what the rules say. 600cc cars with a 100 pound weight advantage should be awesome at Duquoin. You ain't slinging all that weight around them tight little turns.

A long time ago when we were just starting out there was going to be a 1200 cc race I am pretty sure it was at Bloomington. Aj Felker my driver at the time wanted to race there. I called the guy in charge of the 1200 Mini sprints at the time and he said of course we were not invited to race with them we would only get in the way. AJ wanted to race so we told a little fib and entered it as a 1200cc car (F-2 Honda). Well we made the main and finished 5th.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

yes, we ran linton before daughter started running 600 mini sprints or side winders what ever people call them now a days. we normally would weigh 830 pounds after a race with driver. we have talked about putting a 1000 cc in it but we just have not done it yet, and figured that small of a track would not hurt us. who would decide on what weight we would have to be at. Thank you shannon waggoner

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Shannon

I am as close as you can get check a few post up and you see I already added it. I love Mini Sprints that 1000 cc motor dose not make them much faster but the kick in the butt is a whole new ball game. like a dual engine go kart. Like I said yes the 600 will be competitive. We started racing 1200cc mini sprints up at 24 speedway with a Yamaha r6 and ran up front at that little bull ring and it was then very close to the size of DuQuoin now.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Had some questions about the format for.the race. Heat races will be 10 laps, B Mains 15 laps and feature 25 laps.

I.will have to put out how many.cars transfers from.heats and B Mains at the drivers meeting. Hard to predict the car counts.

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Jay tells me that we had a few racers contact him with a request to lower the weight of the shaft drive cars from 1100 pounds to 1000 pounds. After a quick search on Google I could not find any Midget groups with published weights this low. If a person can build a car this light using standard thickness tube they are to be congratulated, however since we are pushing cars with standard weight Midget frames and no trick light weight parts I think 1000 pounds would be just a tad light. We weigh about 1050 or so with a 1000cc car at the end of the race.

The race at Tulsa saw some racers with light weight cars show up and race. It also had some rather up set racers because of the last minute decision made by the people in charge of the Shootout. This is suppose to be racing with the everyday guy in mind and not a race to see who can build the lightest chassis and or find the smallest driver. Bolt on weight is not dangerous, it should be painted white with the cars number painted on it.

We set the weight at 1100 pounds several weeks ago and I think it should stay at that, I hate missing a few light weight cars but I hate even more putting the rest of the field at a 100 pound disadvantage.

I sure would like to see some more comments and suggestions to the rules.

Honest Dad himself :6::6:

The weight rule should be the same as powri or usac, at the most. Their weight rule is 1050.. I personally think all cars racing on the 7th should have the same weight rule.

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Johnny

These guys also endorse carbon fiber bodies and Titanium parts to achieve this weight. If the rules were more realistic there would be no need for these very expensive add ons. The average Focus or Echotec motor because they are stock production blocks have a lot of beef in their designs. They sure ain't no skin and bones Esslinger motors. Some of these cars will also have electric starters on them. That sure started a groan when USAC did that, but had they stuck with that simple rule a little longer it might have worked, it take a little time for the manufactures to get on line with new Ideas. Sure would have speeded up racing though. Drive it out>>>stop>>>get introduced>>>start her up and race. Imagine how much easier it would be on the promoter if they did not have to round up half a dozen push vehicles.

We are not National Midgets and most of us don't want to run with them. A logical weight rule would preclude the use of undersized tubing. In the past we Mini Sprinters were plagued with "Light Weight Frames". Using .060 top rail and .049 lower rails and uprights they could loose 70 pounds or so but at the expense of durability. We had one guy that went through 3 frame in one season, He could afford it and most of us just got a chuckle out of it. We knew if he flipped he was headed back to his chassis builder.

I think they counted 6 cars at the Shootout that cane in very light. Perhaps they needed to institute the frame rail rules that the main frame and top rail should be 1 3/8" X .095 4130 or equivalent. Chain drive cars call for rails made of at least 1 1/8" x .095 4130.

I think I will dig out my ultrasonic thickness gauge and see if any of them old mini sprints are still in existance?

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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The rules for shaft drive Midgets are posted on post #9 of this thread.

The chain drive Midget Rules are posted on Steve Nace racing. http://stevenaceracing.com/picts/Sprints%20classes.pdf

We are trying to do something just a little bit off the wall at Du Quoin and it is a gamble. Your input is appreciated both pro and con. I think that Johnny has a valid point in his request. But we watched this same point cause a lot of hard feelings at Tulsa. Johnny does not spend a lot of time inside some box following the leader, neither do I. I would like to see the Midget displacement rule raised to 3000cc's for V6 4 valve stock block motors. They are just so powerful and available in large numbers at your local friendly Junk Yard. I would like to see the underweight guys throw about 5 more gallon of fuel in the tank and bolt some weight on to their seat bottom and come down and race.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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I hope some of you push start guys can come up with push vehicles, this could cause problems. Do any racers live in Southern Illinois? I think most will be self starters BUT this is one small problem with direct drive shaft driven cars.

I had to retire from Micros when Dad could no longer pick me and the car up and run and push me off by hand.:5: I did not think it was funny at the time.:7: But then I grew old.:)

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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I think the weight on a driveshaft car should be the same as USAC or PowerI. Why make them weigh anymore?

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J

If the Echotec guys want to race USAC National Midgets I think they should have a 500 pound advantage. Why do the USAC guys spend 3 or 4 thousand dollars for titanium brake rotors, bolts, brake and gas pedals, drive shafts, rear end shafts, and carbon fiber bodies? Should the back yard racer make the same expenditures to race for a smaller purse.

Right now I am not too sure but I bet for my dollar investment in a race car I get a much larger return on my money than USAC racers do (even the guys out front). Why change the bottom line by requiring me to buy these expensive parts and hire some slim kid I don't know to race my car. Right now it is a family operation and we and most of the people we race with would like to keep it that way.

We race 100 pounds over the weight limit (pretty close to the minimum weight set for the shaft drive cars we will be racing with) and do pretty good, sure I would like to loose the pounds but we also have a few people think that our extra weight is an advantage and have added weight to their cars.

If you need help in lobbying USAC to give the Echotec cars a great big weight advantage let me know.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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I know we are dealing with several different series and types of cars and engines for this race. This is something new for all of us and I know that all of the rules will not sit well with everyone. The main goal is to have an equal playing field for everyone and at the same time trying to allow everyone the chance to race with us. Right now we need to have this race and take notes and see what worked and what we need to look at for future races. I know we will have some rules that we need to change or some rules we need to add or eliminate all together.

Please continue the discussion on here and we will look at every comment.

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I won't have my car together so I have no stake in this, except maybe in the interest of seeing it prosper and continue, but earlier in the post it was said (paraphrasing) "if it's legal where you normally run, it's legal here"; wouldn't that include weight? Is anybody building a "DuQuoin D II Special", spending a grand on titanium bolts to win five hundred bucks? Why worry about weight at all the first time through? Maybe it would be better to weigh the top finishers after the race to see if some "handicapping" needs to be done for future shows. My guess is you won't find too many flyaway cars out there

So DAD..... Why do you hate the terminology "Lightning Sprints"...??

I'm Not certain how a trophy conversation drifted to a rules conversation
We will be there with our 1175 lb Ecotec representing BAM
For the chain gang that might not care for the shaft guys stinking up their show, we ran with the now defunct OMMS with a "national midget" along with others and got our butts whipped on many ocasion
It's not as much about horsepower as it is about setup and driver

Not sure why their are any rules? It's about getting cars and drivers to the show. The size of this track it's all about luck of the draw, hugging the bottom of the track and hitting lap traffic at the right time. This is definitely a track that I would rather be lucky than good and doubt horse power plays a very big roll on who wins.

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Jim

That ain't a good excuse to miss a race hustle hustle>>>>

Red

First I don't stay on topic real well Bill got on me all the time, but it keeps things interesting

Come on down and bring Johnny with you If we got together we could probably fix everybody's problems and maybe invent cold fusion or something and cure two or three diseases.

cbaumeyer

It ain't Lightning or Mini that erks me. The thing I disagree with after 20+ years is Sprint. Try a sprint tail tank on for size? Now try a Midget tank on can you tell the difference. What kind of frame did your race car start out as? Why put on aires and call yourself something you are not.

We were sitting around in AJ's Race Shop a few years ago shooting at Bulls and things. Somehow Lightning Sprint came up. He had a Sprint Car and a Midget sitting side by side, They complement one another's size quite well and you can see the difference. We got out the tape measure and started measuring everything on both cars, wheels, wheelbase, radious rods axles etc. What we did determine that if we so chose to do so we could call ourselves "THREE QUARTER SPRINT CARS" and would be right on the money. To me it seems like a no brainier we are in fact racing Midgets.

Airsys

I love rules. Apparently 3 rules did not work well at Tulsa. What I like more is guide lines. If we said you could not have more than 10 to 1 compression ratio that would be a rule but we could not check it at the track. So it is not a very good rule. I did not like allowing the use of aftermarket Pistons and valves and springs and rods in one of the Midget groups. But if a large number of cars allow it what the heck. That group also says no porting. We can check that. If The rule calls for stock pistons I can bore scope it and pretty well tell the difference between Wisco and Yamaha. It the rule calls for no porting I can check that too with a bore scope. In the case of the little Honda motor if USAC stipulates a restrictor then we should make sure it is in place. Apparently these little farts have some serious beans on tap. As far as the free pass on porting the Focus Midgets, we raced with them this summer and they ran real well, in fact much better than the USAC cars do, but they did not lap us or anything If that it what it take to get them up to speed I am for it.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Dad.... Ok, so we have a product ...it's a midget chassis, a chain drive 1000 cc engine....... Please keep in mind, when someone wants to market a product it needs to stand out, sound professional, it should have its own identity, the name should have some strength to it (sound is everything)....... What do you think we should be called??

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Chris

I thought we were talking about a football game?

Lets see, you said we need a name that stands out>>>sounds professional>>>has its own identity. The name should also have strength to it because (sound is everything). I am going to have to look up that article I read written by that Canadian guy that argued this same point for the first time 10 years ago. He must have been your uncle because his reasoning sounds strangely familiar to yours. He hated "mini", too self deprecating, Maybe he was right there but don't argue that point with a "Mini Cooper" owner.

Using all of your criteria the best name I can come up with is "Midget".

The most important thing about a name is it should be accurate and concise. The names "lightning">"mini"> and "sprint" are way off base. If we were to race on the same program with Midgets also and something broke on a guys Midget the Midget owner would probably also be asking us if we had the needed part. Sprint car owners would not bother with asking us for help because they know we are not similar.

A fellow racer, Jim Jones hauls to the race track on an open trailer. The open trailer is the vehicle of choice if we are wanting to present ourselves to the general public. They bring about questions from the public and responses from the racer. He jokingly says most questions go like this, Hey!! where do you guys ride on them sand rail or jitney or any thing but a race car. Then he patiently explains to them what the vehicle really is and what he does in it and where he does what he does in it. I think for this PR work and advertising the promoter should at least give him a $5.00 break on his entry fee.:D:6:

When this Canadian guy wrote his article I kind of shrugged it off because he was also pushing 750cc motors. I was secure with "mini sprint" as a name. Well a few people drank his "Kool Aid" and took up the crusade to change the identity of our race cars. After taking up the cause and defense of "mini sprint" I came to a startling realization. We are racing "MIDGETS" plain and simple. "Mini" did not need defending and "lightning" was a very poor adjective and non descriptive term used to describe a type of race car we definitely were not racing.

If you like wings and we do, the name would be "Winged Midget". The guys on the east coast have been using this type of race car for years. The claim that "Lightning Sprint" is the perfect name for the 1000cc motorcycle powered Midget race cars that we happen to race is simply not the truth and if any racer would spend just 30 seconds to think about it, it would not make sense to them also.

(Take note of the time of this response>>> that is what happens when you get old):5:;) Good Morning :)
Good morning Tim

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Dad
Ain't gonna happen; in the middle of a Home Improvement blitz so the Pit Crew will be on board for the regular season.
People do seem to be drawn to the open trailer; I remember getting excited as a kid when I saw a race car out on the highway, going who knows where. Heck, I still do, on the rare occasion I see a racer bared to the elements.

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Jim

I never thought about it before but the open trailer is one heck of an advertising tool. An old promoter that used to run Brown County Speedway in Southern Ohio brought it to my attention. He said he loved race cars on open trailers and was thinking about paying a $50.00 bonus for any car winning one of his features that came to the track on an open trailer.

With Radio and TV time being so expensive now days and Posters being out dated the open trailer guys are the best form of advertising that a race race track has, and I am serious that promoters should make some incentives for the guys hauling on open trailers. Big old cracker boxes hauled behind Pick Up trucks are everywhere and people pay them little attention but that one lone race car sitting on an open trailer does seem to draw all the kids to the side of the car as they pass on the road or to your trailer when you stop for fuel.

Remember that sign that some people put on the back of their trailer "Follow Me to the race track"??

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Ok..... First, lets ease up on the uncle statement..... Mine passed away 2 yrs ago from a heart attack (still rides on the side of my hood, looking down on me from time to time). Good points , yes we are midgets! So how do we name the series? Midwest Division Two Winged Midget Series?? (Too Long) ....Midwest Winged Midget Series?

I agree, as a kid, when we drove up hwy 41 headed to Haubstadt , I got excited to see an open trailer with a car on it at the petro station. But in today's market, just not feasible. You want to get some fans to notice us and come watch the show..... Be the show!.... PR is where it's at! We did 2 car shows (one at Viking Assaults event, one at Shriners fest), I also set up a display at the West Side Nut Club Fall Festival on the day of the Tri State Speedway race. Each event we placed over 100 children and even some adults in the seat of the car while the parents/friends snapped a pic or two. Many of those people asked when and where we raced these cars. Some of those people came and talked to me in the pits after that nites event. If we all get out there and spend a few hours with the public, it's amazing the results!.... But we need to come up with a more simple name for those people to remember us by!!!

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I think you nailed it; Midwest Nut Club...

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:23:>>>>>>>>>>>>>"MIDGET">>>>>>>>>>>"WINGED MIDGET">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>:22:

We don't have to be trick with the name. All we have to do is name the darned product with an accurate name. A name that has been around a long time and has "T.O.M.A." Top of Mind Awareness (a term that the TV guys used to say I had because I spent so much "MONEY" with them.) If a person said DAD's in Louisville Kentucky everybody answered "No Muff Too Tuff" TV worked well for Mufflers but that slogan became synonymous with Dad's>:D:10:

Maybe in the outside world Midget is not a well known term in fact in these days of political correctness it is even frowned upon. In the racing community in general every body and every promoter knows what a Midget is. Much easier to sell a Midget Race than sell a "Something almost kind of like Sprint car" Race. If promoters like Wings then we are "Winged Midgets". If we need more cars include the shaft drive guys. I think we can co exist and have a lot of fun racing together. I bet if they tried wings they would also enjoy that form of Midget racing also.

Simple is always better. Engineers call it "Elegant"

I hope you guys will be able to make the D II Midget Race at Du Quoin? The D II is Wayne's from down in Florida Idea. I had nothing to do with it, I simply borrowed it for a short time until people get used to Midget by itself with no or few qualifiers in front or behind it.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Jim.... If you've never been to the West Side Nut Club Fall Festival.... Take a few days off the first full week of October!!.... 2nd largest street festival to Mardi Gras.... Been in existence for over 80 yrs!.... Look it up on the net!!

How about G2 Midgets??

.... Or GX Midgets???

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Midwest D-2 Winged Midgets or MD2WM....The ONLY reason I call it that is because we are not at a "NATIONAL" level ...YET!!! If all our small groups REGIONAL series could come together and form a NATIONAL group how big could it be....whether you ran with a wing or without we are still a CONVERTED midget that uses different engines.

Look at the #'s...all of us playing second fiddle to the "national" guys when you could have our OWN national style of races....Look what the ASCS has done...9 yes NINE different regions...USCS 7 different regions.

Like it or not like it the D-2 is just like most organizations across the US that are a 2nd tier and that my friends are what we are "AS OF NOW"!!!!!

The word "sportsman or mini" very much labels us as in the minds of most fans. We can be a NATIONAL organization with regional groups if you open your eyes and look DOWN the road and not just right now.

We can have a "NATIONAL" race in the different regions that would count toward a "NATIONAL" Champion. Winged or Non-winged we can all be the same...We Are The Same...

Each and every club or series would still be THEIR series but the #'s would grow so we can get Corporate America to look at us if we were 300 strong as a groups instead of 8-10 individual groups 25-30 strong.

We are doing this right by discussion it here on IOW and elsewhere...might not happen this year or even next year but if we continue separations we will still be tasting scrapes.

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Wayne

Amen said the choir.

You have become a true Disciple to the cause for the right of all Midgets to be called by their rightful name . We don't have to hide behind some silly pseudonym to try to hide our true identity.

We are still working on the name thing. To me "Midget" seems natural. We have expensive very fast midgets and we have not so expensive fast midgets. We would only need to use a pre-fix if we manage to get a big old sponsor on board.

I am not for national rules >>>>perhaps a national guide lines. Every group is a little different, to me that is refreshing. I can remember a lightning sprint guy complaining about sand and his short lived chains. His condition is different than ours. We have Midget cars all around us. Some chain drive and some shaft drive, all we have to do is get them somewhere in the same chapter of the book and work on the page later.

I was out a AJ's last night shooting the breeze and invited him to Du Quoin to help out. Looking around at all the Midgets, Sprint cars and a flock of TQ's I realized that yes even TQ's could run DuQuoin as the rules are written They would probably have to have drivers my size to make weight and them maybe overload springs.;)

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Y'know, there are all kinds of Sprint Car groups out there; USAC, WOO, ASCS, MSCS, Must See, RaceSaver, and on and on. Wing, non-wing, 410, 360, 305, yadayadayada. I think Pappy Weld even built one with a transverse-mounted engine (I'm not going to call it a "Sidewinder, that'll go down a whole other rabbit trail). Was it chain-drive? Hmmm.
My point is, they are all Sprint Cars, because they share things in common; wheelbase, tread width, wheel size, construction practices.
using this logic I submit that a tube-framed, open wheel race car with a 60's to 70's inch wheelbase, 65 inch track on 13 inch wheels is a Midget. There may be other qualifiers needed to differentiate specific groups. But it's not a bad time to draw a line in the clay. Let the 10-inch wheeled sidewinders have Mini Sprint if they want it; we won't be needing it anymore...