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All Lightning Mini Sprints. The Tulsa Shootout is just a few weeks away, they have all the information posted on their web site. We hope all can make it out to Tulsa. Emmitt Hahn has liked the car count every year it gets better. It is a great track to race on and it is NON-WING.:8:

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I have been trying to arrange a racing junket to go west. I know these guys in the trucking business. They could probably haul 10 or 12 cars out their and enough shared tools and parts to race on. Haul your car to their place load it up and drive on out in a pov or what have you.

I like your rules.

1200cc Mini Sprints
Age:

Drivers must be a minimum of 13 years of age.
Roll Cage/Chassis:

Roll Cage minimum size 1 ¼”, .095 4130 Chromoly Tubing. The front section of the cage shall be no further back than the steering wheel. Roll cage shall have sufficient fore and aft bracing, and strength to support the weight of the car and driver in case of an upset. Cage shall have gussets at the intersecting bars to the uprights. Bends must have at least 3 inch radius. No square or pointed corners allowed. Roll cage must be a minimum of 3 in. above the driver’s helmet.

Wheelbase shall be 64” to 74”.

Must be Chain Drive.

Chain guards mandatory. It must shield Driver from chain.

Must have sprint car style hood, tail and have the appearance of an open wheeled dirt sprint car. No modified styles or radical offsets.

Motor not to be offset more than 6” from chassis centerline. (No sidewinders)

All cars to be equipped with either a steering gear or rack and pinion.

A firewall between engine and driver is required.

Tires/Wheels:

Tire Rule: Right rear must be a Hoosier RD15, D15, SP2, SP3 or Ecotech.

13” wheels only.

Engine:

Only reciprocating piston engines allowed. No Turbo charging, supercharging or rotary engines allowed. Approved Lighting Sprint car engine is described as a production engine of which at least 100 engines of identical design and assembly have been manufactured and made available for sale.

1205cc maximum displacement. No downsizing.

Original equipment manufacturer (OEM) crankshaft only, must be stock stroke.

No aftermarket cylinders.

No traction control allowed. If part of factory ECU, it must be disabled.

Aftermarket use and or modification of ignition, exhaust, carburation, and mechanical or electronic fuel injection allowed.

Transmission - must be operable in all gears.

Oil Pan and pickup modifications allowed.

Dry sump oil system allowed.

Must have operable on-board battery, starter and clutch.

Must have stock (working) charging system. No cut out allowed.

Methanol or Gas. No Nitrated fuels.

Mufflers mandatory. Tulsa Fairgrounds requires each vehicle’s noise level be below 95DB.

Minimum Weight:

(Post race with driver)

Stock Bore & Stroke 1000cc or less engines 925 lbs.

Up to 1205cc engines 1000 lbs.

You aren't trying to impress the racers with you knowledge but instead came up down to earth set of rules and are detailed enough to make for a competitive fair racing class that can be checked quickly after the race. I also notice you got the wheelbase thing more in line with modern midget design and don't use that bothersome (to me at least) Dumb ASS Nerf Bar rule.

I had a guy suggest to me just this weekend that I should be racing with you guys, and I think he was serious. Something about me not thinking like he thought I should be for thinking. Go figure!!!:)

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

What's the nerf bar rule?

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That is the one where a guy protested to Jerry that our left rear nerf bar stuck out 1-1/2 inches past the the left tire. Moved :)him up a place in the feature and moved us over to the MMSA. >>>> It also caused him to have to buy a bladder for his tail tank.;):5:

Like the Longer wheel base Midget of today. The extreme offset of the newer chassis the Nerf bar on Midgets sometimes stick out from the tire a little when you pull the left rear wheel all the way in.

If you use a standard FSC nerf and cut it off you have to go back and bend the part that goes into the frame spuds again to get the nerf away from the track.. That is a lot of work for us lazy type. The Nerf Bar rule does not exist in Midget rules>>and I see it as a little safer because it keeps that tire from climbing over things.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Is a car with bumpers that protect the wheels considered a open wheel car? I don't care how FSC makes their nerfs but it seems to me that if it sticks out past the tire it would be considered a fender?

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Andy

A pic of a typical left side Midget Nerf Bar. I figure they allow them to stick out a little when the wheel is all the way in in an effort to help keep them down on the ground, and protect the headers,>>>>when the left wheel is moved out they are flush with the tire.

http://www.xxxraceco.com/images/Team...wl%20-%201.jpg

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Dads Ideas for doing the Shoot out on the cheap.

The first and foremost thing is Logistics. With the right logistics anyone can save a lot of money.

2500 to 3000 miles is a bit of a trip to do on ones own pocket book even for a $1000.00 or $1500.00 to win and they don't have too many winners out there. I think we made $800.00 for second place the first year that Mini Sprints was invited to race their. I did not see any of that money my driver and mechanic got it all.

Back in the 60's money was tough also, so racers got to traveling to the races in packs. Many times sleeping in the back of their pickups or station wagons. That would not be smart for Tulsa in December. Another trick was to co exist with one another. One guy would rent a room at a not so expensive Motel and share it with a few friends somewhere around 6 to 10 guys or so. Those motel rooms had a special aroma about them that I can still think back and remember and get an immediate gag reflex from it. But that was part of the cost of racing. We were careful to remove all the extra bedding before we went to the track. I somehow think the management still knew what was going on but we tried not to force their hands.

A benefit of this mode of co existing was you got to know your competition a lot better. In some ways too much better. But it was fun and an adventure for a young guy. We could go to a grocery store and get some bologna and bread and that was lunch for everybody. Nothing better than bacon and eggs cooked on an old gasoline Coleman Stove. That naphtha gas gave the food a definite taste all to itself.

I am a little old for that form of racing anymore. Were I to lay down and turn on my Supper-Charger C-pap machine I would probably be moved to the bath tub and you sure don't want to sleep their and share it with a bunch of other racers.

If I was 20 years younger I would sure think about it because it would be a life experience you would never forget.

I bet you could rent a semi and driver to take you out their and back and even get the chance to race against the semi driver.

Remember we call it "LOGISTICS" now much better than racing on the cheap.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Only thing about the Shootout for Mini/Lightning Sprints is the fact that you have to leave on Monday to arrive on Tue. for parking. Unload everything and take you trailer out or you have to pit with 4-5 other racers then the 1st set of hotlaps is sometime Wed. Morning. Now it's Thursday and you finally get to race the heats. Friday is a off day then Sat morning is the LCQ if you did not make the show threw the heats. FINALLY Feature race Sat. night. now about 11:00-12:00 gotta get the rig in to load everything up and head back in the AM...but you do get a little 14 inch trophy called a Golden Driller if you win...

Everyone should experience it at least once...love the tradition.... hate the format

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Damn

I love competition!!! Who would have thought Three winter races for our cars. No conflicts on dates.
Every body going after the cars>>>>all I can say it is great>>NOW>> all we need now is some good $2.00 dollar gasoline, and we got it made in the shade.

Wayne we going to name you the "Come Back Kid">>> Bet you ain't never seen a half empty gas tank>>>always half full.:6:

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Dad gas is 2.16 in Florida and Ga.

And yes just like Chris LeDoux sings a song....

"Sit tall in the saddle, Hold your head up high
Keep your eyes fixed where the trail meets the sky
And live like you ain't afraid to die
And don't be scared, just enjoy your ride"

HEAVY on this part..."And don't be scared, just enjoy your ride"

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We will have plenty of tools, tire tools, some food, beer, power, ext... if anyone else is looking to pit together so we can leave our trailer inside. Just let me know

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I went to the Tulsa Shootout website to check the car count.http://www.tulsashootout.com/profile...r=62001&rt=sch I see They have 17 Echo Tec Midgets and 20 1200cc Midgets (Mini Sprints). Looks like everybody will make the main event this year. If we had a little more time and money we would sure be their. Looks like easy pickens to me.

If you guys get a chance take a stop watch up to both the Echo Tec and Mini Sprint races and clock the hot dogs out their in both classes. Are their times pretty close? Wonder what would happen if you combined the classes?

These are both neat types of race cars, but because of rules packages (Self imposed segregation) we have kept our numbers down to a manageable size. If we were to combine the Focus, Echotec, Kenyon, and Mini Sprints into one class, what would happen? COMPETITION would kick in, is what would happen. Most all racers want to be competitive, the cost of the engine packages is pretty close when you stop to look at them. "STOCK" is the major priority for a fair rule package, and I don't mean down to the 3 ten thousands of an inch and you are out Go Kart type mentality either.

Guys are spending thousands of dollars right now to take their mini sprint motors to a guru engine builder to have them massage the last little bit of drive ability out of them. You can't stop that but you can limit parts to OEM and make visual checks for that. That won't stop people from deep freezing their engines internals or spraying super slick all over everything that you can not see, so why worry about it.

Make inspection ports, make ways to check cam lift without pulling the valve cover and have pictures or actual parts on hand for your tec people to compare to. Pretty soon it will become obvious to all the racers which is the hot set up, (Like watching go karts at you local rental track to decide which kart you want to drive) and the other combinations will vanish from existence until some other bright racer finds a better package to race with.

I see that Casey Shuman is listed on the drivers list this year. So being a true Kentuckian at heart I will Put my money on the Jockey.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Casey Shuman, Justin Grant, and another local hot shoe Frank Flud racing in the lightning sprints. Maybe the secret is getting out about this class of cars. I am tempted to call my buddy Robert Ballou and see if he wants to wheel my car.

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We could probably get him a ride in a pretty fast FSC chassis Dad's Zx10 r if we could find some money>:) to be sure Robert could get every last ounce of performance out of it and maybe just a little bit more.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Looking down the lists of entrants at the Shootout other name pop up also that would add to the competition. Like>> Austin Brown>>Andrew Felker>>Blake Hahn>>Kevin Swindell. Any of these drivers would be impressive in one of our cars and in the case of Austin Brown who is also in an EchoTec this year could give us a pretty good idea of the strengths and weakness of each class of car

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Casey is 1 for 1 in a Lightning Sprint....No hot laps...No heat race...Went to the tail of the A after Scott had broke his hand and put on a clinic passing 17 cars...Drivers like Jimmy Scanlon (Wis), Drew Dorsett (Ind), Todd Lehr (Wis), Nick Daughtery (Oh), Jon Moore (NY), Austin Archdale (Il) and Daniel Nadeau from Canada just to name a few.....These "WINGERS" could help grow our sport...hope to have some come to Florida in Feb. Good luck to ALL in the Shootout in a couple weeks.

Check out the attire Scott Johnson has on..Feb. 12th 2011 was the date!!!

Pending how we run at tulsa we are thinking about going to flordia and running there as well. Me being a No name racer would love to get out and run different tracks and different competition. This was our first full year of racing and I had a ton of fun racing against hench and Archdale in nationals. It was a hell of a fight between the top 4 of us. Chris I would be more than happy to get your car ready. Mines ready to roll and we can throw yours in my trailer!!

Gas is $1.99 in indiana this morning

Diesel is down to 2.89 here. Cheap trip

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Thanks should go out to the ISIS "thugs" for taking over oil fields and selling oil on the cheap on the black market, sure a good way to get the OPEC people a wake up call, don't you think.;):)

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Does anybody remember when gasoline was 35 cents a gallon and diesel was 25 cents. All the oil we used came from the USA and you would drive 20 miles save a nickle a gallon at a gas war across town.

I guess we owe it all to modern chemistry. Wonder what they did to that old Kerosene to make it so much more expensive than gasoline? Sure am glad the oil company's are on our side.:8::10:

I also wish we could get more Indiana and Ohio participation at the Shoot Out. Probably when gas gets to $1.50 a gallon and $1.25 diesel would help a little.

Don't forget about Du Quoin on February 7th and Florida right after that.

I can remember when Du Quoin was right in the center of oil country in Illinois. You can still see a few lonesome oil pumps out in the middle of corn fields on your way to the track.

Honest Dad himself:6::6: