***UPDATE*** 305 Racesaver News!***UPDATE***
 

***UPDATE***


October 24, 2014

Bloomington Speedway is releasing the proposed A main purse
structure for the addition of the 2015 RaceSaver 305 Winged Sprint car
Series, presented by http://kinser-airfilters.com/Home.html

We are pleased to add this class to our Friday racing programs. We will
not be dropping any of the current classes but will be making some
modifications to the lap counts for heat races and features. The 410
Sprint program and Modifieds will remain the same as of now. The Super
Stocks, RaceSaver 305's and Hornets will Race 8 Lap heat races and 20 Lap
A Mains.

We will also be implementing MyLaps Transponder's for each class. They are
the AMB version. Competitors will be able to purchase these for $250.00
through the speedway or be able to rent one during each night of racing
for $20.00. Please contact the Track if you are interested in purchasing
one. The transponders will be a crucial part to keep the program moving in
a timely matter and also be used for live scoring results. We will also
still have serial scoring as a secondary scoring system back up.

Again, Bloomington Speedway is pleased to announce a title sponsor,
http://kinser-airfilters.com/Home.html Racesaver 305 for the 2015 season!


Kris Kirchner
General Manager
Bloomington Speedway

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I will check back in every hour this is going to be good.

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I know the rules are posted at racesaver.com, but does anyone already have a true parts list to build one of these engines??

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Not the only source, but here is one, and it has pictures too. (always a plus for me)

http://www.pmsmachine.com/?page_id=394

I'll save someone the trouble of building one. https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/sho...921&styleid=17

Not a racesavers heads

They're steel heads and flow the same. Most places like URSS run both. If someone didn't want the heads I'd pull them and discount the price. I priced it below the Racesaver motors for someone looking to get in cheaper.

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October 24, 2014

Bloomington Speedway is releasing the proposed A main purse
structure for the addition of the 2015 RaceSaver 305 Winged Sprint car
Series, presented by http://kinser-airfilters.com/Home.html

We are pleased to add this class to our Friday racing programs. We will
not be dropping any of the current classes but will be making some
modifications to the lap counts for heat races and features. The 410
Sprint program and Modifieds will remain the same as of now. The Super
Stocks, RaceSaver 305's and Hornets will Race 8 Lap heat races and 20 Lap
A Mains.

We will also be implementing MyLaps Transponder's for each class. They are
the AMB version. Competitors will be able to purchase these for $250.00
through the speedway or be able to rent one during each night of racing
for $20.00. Please contact the Track if you are interested in purchasing
one. The transponders will be a crucial part to keep the program moving in
a timely matter and also be used for live scoring results. We will also
still have serial scoring as a secondary scoring system back up.

Again, Bloomington Speedway is pleased to announce a title sponsor,
http://kinser-airfilters.com/Home.html Racesaver 305 for the 2015 season!


Kris Kirchner
General Manager
Bloomington Speedway



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What a joke mods cost as much if not more than these 305 s your going to pay them more than mods and yet the mods will have to run more laps. noThank you bloomington .

Good pay out to get started. Hoping for a lot cars. thank bloomngton speedway

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and another way of sticking it to the racers/owners of all classes.....either buy a transponder for $250 or pay an extra $20 per night....total rip off...so in essence the racers pay for the tracks new scoring system. total BS. If you are gonna buy a new scoring system, the track should either have the money to buy it and use it, or don't buy one at all...that place has operated since the late 1920's?? and it never needed a transponder system before now..all tracks make scoring mistakes with the lineups so that is not a valid argument to justify more expenses for the racers.

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only 20 more bucks a week to go racing at Bloomington speedway, finally there thinking about the people who put the show on.which will not be me.

How many tracks use transponders in Indiana? Specifically the AMB transponders. I race Micros and we use them. You either pay 50 dollars for a membership each year and get one every weekend, or rent it for ten dollars a night. I'm buying my own next year just to have it and not have to deal with getting one from the track and returning it at the end of the night. The way I see it is the ones who are going to complain the most about the new system are the same ones that have gotten upset numerous times that they were put back a few spots on a restart because the scorers couldn't keep track. So if that's enough to keep you away from the track which would be unfortunate but seems to happen way too often anymore, so be it. I'm sure your bright attitude towards the promoters will be missed ;) . Just be happy we still a few tracks left to race at weekly. Good luck to Bloomington on their 305 class next year.

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come on boys put out the dough and lets go!!!!!!

There is no reason to charge drivers for a transponder. If the track wants to use a transponder scoring system than I say great, it'll help speed the program along. But that is their choice, so they should foot the bill for it. Just hand the transponder to the driver after he draws each night, and require it to be returned when the driver goes to get his/her money at the end of the night. That's how Brownstown did it when I went this year and it worked just fine.
Also, I have to agree with Kenny. Doesn't seem right to make the mods run more laps than the 305's and then pay them less money. If you want the 305's to be a higher class than mods that's fine, but have them run 25 laps and the mods 20. But in all actuality you should reconsider the mod purse instead. Like Kenny said a competitive modified costs way more than a 305 will, and probably even more than half the 410s do. So why not try and improve their purse? Heck, I run a super stock so I'm not even arguing for myself. It just makes me sick thinking about how much these mod guys have in their cars and thinking about how much they get paid relative to other classes. The mod car count was down last year at Bloomington, barely getting a full field most nights. So why not try and improve their class before it gets worse?
Just my opinion, doesn't mean it's right, but it at least gives people something to think about. I wish Bloomington the best in 2015, and I hope I can make it some.

When Raceceivers came out, you could put down a deposit and return it at the end of the night to get paid and get your deposit back. Then they became so popular that everyone had them and you can't rent them anymore, yet tracks require them! They're $99 bucks a piece and you just have to buy it. It's part of the cost of racing. Unfortunately it's not a cheap sport. I do see the point, however, that the speedway put in the system, they should pay for it. How do other tracks do the transponder thing? Like Lawrenceburg or Montpelier? I know BOSS runs them. Can you rent one?

Heres my take on transponder if track buys them they can get insurance on them ( case damage in crash or lost) we as drivers buying them if damaged in a crash we are just out and have to buy another one.

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Originally Posted by cmiracingvids:
When Raceceivers came out, you could put down a deposit and return it at the end of the night to get paid and get your deposit back. Then they became so popular that everyone had them and you can't rent them anymore, yet tracks require them! They're $99 bucks a piece and you just have to buy it. It's part of the cost of racing. Unfortunately it's not a cheap sport. I do see the point, however, that the speedway put in the system, they should pay for it. How do other tracks do the transponder thing? Like Lawrenceburg or Montpelier? I know BOSS runs them. Can you rent one?

Raceceivers and transponders are 2 different animals, one you listen on, the other tracks you on the track, we have used them for close to 10 years, maybe more, and yes, they are expensive, and if it's yours, maybe you will take better care of it, and they each have their own signal, so if you lose it, and someone else finds it and uses it, it will show up on the printout, so someone is busted. Most tracks let you rent one, with your drivers license as security, or make payments on one if you are going to be a regular. JMHO Bob!

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I do not have a dog in the fight. But its end of racing, so time on my hands.

I wish a local track near me would start a 305 class. Wing or non-wing.I am in Michigan.

Why is it when a wing topic is started here, the non wings guys get in a big huff about it. And act like it is the end of the world. But they stick up for the modified class? They are nothing but late models with out fenders. So you can like that stock car class, but not a class of sprint cars? Yes I like that class. So I am not putting them down, just asking.

So for the cost of one set of tires. You can have a timing device that gives you all types of data feed back. Lap times for the whole race, did you start out fast and slow down, did your set up come in at the 1/2 way point of the race. Did your new set up work better then last weeks set-up? Most track that use them allow you to look at every lap you turn plus the laps of all the other cars on the track. Sounds like good way to spend $20 a night.

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Popcorn shortage, Isle 5

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sorry about my last post. I had forgotten Bloomington speedway is always right.

Bha, Bha, Bha, who cares about wings and 305's??

KOKOMO'S GETTING NEW CLAY!!!!!

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Originally Posted by PAW:
Bha, Bha, Bha, who cares about wings and 305's??

KOKOMO'S GETTING NEW CLAY!!!!!

Kokomo Speedway...Best Track in the Country...new clay; best track in the WORLD!!!

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I have a Level Performance 305 (Fremont Oh, 410' and 305's) for sale complete. $6000. 734 six37 2546. Located in Mi.

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No matter what happens...nothings changing for me. I still get to be a race fan and watch some great racing every Friday night.

Bloomington already has issues with their car count. It makes no sense at all to add any more expense to the racers. Alot of us are scrapping up every dollar we have just to have a chance to race...transponders should be free. Even a small track like Bakersfield in Linton lets the drivers use them at no charge.

Originally Posted by chop:
I do not have a dog in the fight. But its end of racing, so time on my hands.

I wish a local track near me would start a 305 class. Wing or non-wing.I am in Michigan.

Why is it when a wing topic is started here, the non wings guys get in a big huff about it. And act like it is the end of the world. But they stick up for the modified class? They are nothing but late models with out fenders. So you can like that stock car class, but not a class of sprint cars? Yes I like that class. So I am not putting them down, just asking.

So for the cost of one set of tires. You can have a timing device that gives you all types of data feed back. Lap times for the whole race, did you start out fast and slow down, did your set up come in at the 1/2 way point of the race. Did your new set up work better then last weeks set-up? Most track that use them allow you to look at every lap you turn plus the laps of all the other cars on the track. Sounds like good way to spend $20 a night.

Much complaining on this message board over the years about the wing racing thing. Majority of the county runs wing and have better purse. As far as the transponders go. A right rear hoosier Rd12 runs about 220 and I see no discussion or boycotts of hoosier for having such high tire cost. At first I had the same opinion about this transponder deal but in the long run I think it will be a good deal as long as tracks universally use them. That way a person did not have to buy one for a specific track.

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If transponders help get the field lined up faster, that would cut down of laps run under caution and help save teams fuel? Would it not pay for it's self over time?

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People you can try to paint the picture any color you want....the racers are paying for the new timing and scoring system..plain and simple...and I don't remember a night where we planned our fuel consumption based upon the amount of laps it took to line up the field during a yellow...that is really stretching it (this ain't NASCAR). Usually when there is a yellow most of the field is lined up by the time the push truck or wrecker does it's job.

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Originally Posted by KKinser99:
Much complaining on this message board over the years about the wing racing thing. Majority of the county runs wing and have better purse. As far as the transponders go. A right rear hoosier Rd12 runs about 220 and I see no discussion or boycotts of hoosier for having such high tire cost. At first I had the same opinion about this transponder deal but in the long run I think it will be a good deal as long as tracks universally use them. That way a person did not have to buy one for a specific track.

Not so sure about the much complaining, but IMHO it is really about the style of racing one prefers. If one is looking for all out speed and pretty much driving straight through a corner then wing racing is your deal. I am old enough to remember the WoO without wings, compared to today's WoO where the aero and tire advances have increased speed, but not necessarily improved competition. My real concern is the perception that non-wing racing is a lesser product which translates to smaller purses, less general coverage, etc. I would respectfully remind that the decline of Indy Cars began when competition took a back seat to pure speed along with a rejection of traditional American oval track racing. All of this created a void into which NASCAR drove right into. Lastly, the movement to wings is directly related to the WoO reaction to the Knoxville tragedies and the power of the multiple winged tracks in PA. The travelers of WoO needed the perceived perception (not always deserved) that Knoxville had and the support of an already well-established car support group in PA. There is room for both, but it is dangerous to value one over the other when perception is based upon PR, sponsorship money, etc., rather than actual performance.

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I was going to build me one of these. Running wings was always fun and these under powered rigs would have been just like when I started. Had me a set of heads located and a new rotating assembly priced. As a never was ,Bloomington never really was a friend of mine. It`s a wide open joint and 20 laps on the floor is quite a rush ... After reading the wisdom of both sides of this issue by those who will participate, those who sit in the stands, and those who will not even show up, I`ve concluded that participating would not be a cost effective decision for me. I am one of the guys who works a regular job and his racing funds are from what the bills of a normal life doesn`t consume.I hate that these types of racers are fading away because of tough luck ,rising costs, bad decisions or the realization that the stress of the monetary woes outweigh the fun.Those guys who have had
to outrun money with innovative means built this sport with their perseverance. I hope all who do participate build the new class into something you can be proud of.

Originally Posted by HurstBros0:
So we don`t need the radios any more ? That is why we had to buy them wasn`t it? To speed up cautions...

I do believe the radios are more for safety than anything else. Sure they help with line ups so you don't have a flagman pointing you were to go. I know the radio's have sure helped me to avoid a few incidents. I mean its hard to miss someone shouting in your ear exactly where the caution is on the track so you can safely slow your car. Also I've heard it on the raceceiver quite a few times before the flagman ever had a chance to flip the switch for the yellow. Besides I've seen them used all over the place for right around 100 to a hundred and fifty. I like the post earlier about the cost of a new RR in comparison. Puts things into perspective a little bit.

Ok so for the support class its looks like this.if there just starting out racing

Transponder 250.00
Ump membership 100.00
race receiver 100.00
Total 450.00


Wow thats cheap lol


Not counting whatever else gets tossed in before season starts


Way to go nice job ...:6:

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So when has racing ever been afordable?

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Before we got into sprint cars and yes we run a 305 at 34 raceway but not a racesaver LoL, We raced karts all over, and we always used a transponder I have often wondered why most of the local tracks have not used them. Well if we start using them at our local track we already got one. I think it is a great idea, but before we had one we had to rent one from the track. I feel if they want you to use one they should give it to you. Or if you got one use your own. It does speed up the program. I also feel the payout is pretty good for a 305. Good Luck to everyone who runs one this year.

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Originally Posted by Rpracing1:
So when has racing ever been afordable?

The modified team I was part of in the late 50s grossed enough money to pay the driver 40% and make the payments on the owner's street car. The midget team I worked for in the early 70s bought a brand new Edmunds chassis and a brand new SESCO engine for almost the same amount I paid for a new Ford station wagon at the same time. Both of those cars won races and finished high in the standings. Most of the cars we raced against were owned by middle class folks who worked for a living. Many were auto or truck mechanics; some owned shops, but many were employees.

I post this answer to this question every few months. I think I'll save it. :3:

I've got an idea Bloomington Speedway…how bout offering these transponders free of charge to those whom finished in the top 10 in points? Would'nt it make sense to help the guys whom support you on a weekly basis?

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Originally Posted by bobbyg45:
Ok so for the support class its looks like this.if there just starting out racing

Transponder 250.00
Ump membership 100.00
race receiver 100.00
Total 450.00


Wow thats cheap lol


Not counting whatever else gets tossed in before season starts


Way to go nice job ...:6:

Transponder rent $20.00 (or $250.00 to purchase)
UMP Membership $0.00 (Racesaver Sprints are not UMP, that is only in the stock car classes and the amounts are different, but in those classes you get insurance for your UMP fee.)
Raceiver rent $10.00 (or $100.00 to purchase)

Total $30.00 rent (or $350.00 to purchase)

It really just boils down to is the glass half full or is the glass half empty.

I don't have a dog in the fight so I can honestly see it both ways.

But you left out most all tracks also require a firesuit, helmet, gloves, and a neck restraint systems of some type, and you can't rent those, so add in another $2000.00 on top of your numbers above.

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