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Where did Hayden's post go? It was just getting going... Did anyone call UMP?

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i was wondering the same thing...this the only place i heard about it

Brett, I deleted it and please don't give me a reason to delete this one!;)

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geez:7:

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devin gilipin,and the plot thickens.

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rumors

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Dang

I must have missed quite a bit. Didn't know it got that bad.

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I bet alot of teams got pretty nervous when they seen this thread topic.
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Obviously I missed something so what was it?

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Bill would often remove a thread that got out of line somewhere. Or remove all the post after a certain point. Respect Shonda's wishes.

Mrs. G's wishes have never come into question.

Maybe I shouldn't have posted easy ways to make your own lol

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Bad

All that gobbly goop just confused me and gave me a head ache.:10: Don't do us any favors.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I did not see the beginning of this post but i have to voice my thoughts in general on reaction control. #1 if you don't think it's out there in some form you need to wake up and pay attention. #2 there is nothing that needs to be banned more than traction control. Should be policed more than any other aspect of dirt racing

Well obviously it's out there. It's just no one wants to bring it up...no one can afford to tech ignition boxes, and to hunt down external devices on cars/and in the stands on a NIGHTLY basis. So it's viewed as a myth or rumor, and many just look away because it is extremely hard to find proof...

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Maybe I should be a tech guy for ump?

It can be policed and at all costs should be. I talked to a friend who was at a recent racing industry show and said there was at least 2 booths set up selling traction control. I'm no genius, but Ray Charles could see that Modifieds running with nearly as much horse power as late models with half the tire that don't get out of shape, obviously got something going on

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Basically the post that got deleted was about Gilpin getting busted with traction control by UMP Friday after hot laps at Eldora.

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In fact I think it was rumor only, I made a call to a friend that was one of 8 UMP officials there that night, He told me that he had heard nothing about any traction control controversy from any of his fellow officials. I have known this man for many years and can vouch for his integrity, If he says something it is true. I know the Fleetwoods, we have never been the best of friends, but when somebody starts throwing mud at them and it is unfounded in my book it is time to say something about it.

Why the heck don't we let this thing rest, Traction control is one of them trigger phrases, It might help some in pavement racing. Racing on dirt one of the drivers more used steering options is his feet, both right and left if you take away that option with traction control he is less of a driver.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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thanks cj. my opinion is I don't care if its Gilpin or dave darland it should absolutely be banned from short track racing, especially dirt. and dad I get your point on steering with your feet on dirt, and that only validates my point. it should be the driver only that regulates traction control once the car hits the track. I want to see the driver hook his car up not a mechanical or electronic device. after all, racing is about running your car to the edge, the edge of hooking it up and going to the front, or busting it loose and backing up. I want to see the driver do this, not a traction control device

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Better Reading with video>>>>http://www.moretraction.com/Products_Circle.htm

All it takes is money

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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The rules are "no traction control devices allowed" and i think they should be enforced also..however if people are running them i do not know of any , in sprints, and dont care one way or the other as we win our share of races without it.. what i am tired of is people accusing others of such infractions just because people are winning and they are not. i think these people who point fingers should be forced to prove that those they accuse are using it or pay fines or be banned also as they are more of a problem than those, if any , that do have tc. most people believe that certain individuals "cheat" just because they hear it from others ..
so if you think someone has tc go up to them and put up a thousand dollars and if you dont find any u lose your money and if you do , well then they would be banned from the race im sure..i certainly would not accuse anyone of having it unless i saw it with my own eyes..:32:

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You said it dshort, it's people upset that said driver wins and runs well. I mean the original post said he was busted Friday following qualifying. If that's the case why did he still podium on Friday night behind Westfall and eventual winner of the weekend Ruhlman? I went back and watched the footage from both Thursday and Friday and he didn't look to be running any differently. I see it as nothing but jealousy and bitterness unless you want to show me some actual evidence.

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Pretty darn easy to control if you go back to magnetos and distributors.

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The system Dad linked too is just slightly bigger than a quarter, and is designed to work with either a distributor or magneto. I wouldn't want to be the tech person tasked with trying to find one of these units, as I can think of many ways/places to hide one.

Bill

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No body runs this stuff!!!!!!!!!!:8::8::8::8::8::8::8::8:

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I agree, That is why these TC companies show up at the PRI show. :44:

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Bill

Would you be referring to a "cavity search".:5:

I have more pressing concerns, like cost of fuel, Pit passes, will the track be open next year. Traction control and doctored tires are not high on my priority list. A guy gave me a brand new sticker Right rear doctored tire to race on one night, it lasted 15 laps on a Mini Sprint. We like the d3 they last longer.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Here you go Gang

We spend all of our time and finger strokes trying to find a better way to race so racing would be better for all of us and affordable, Go Kart racing isn't even affordable now days, with so many tires and gallons and gallons of tire prep to be bought to hook that 5HP Bridges Smith or Now Days our Chinese Honda wanabe Motors.

USAC went so far a few years ago to put a max rev limit on their Midget motors as a way to cut cost (RIGHT). So what do enterprising racers do, They go out and build a motor through better head design and breathing that makes tons of Horsepower below this thresh hold RPM and go out and blow the nerf bars off of the competition.

People are all the time talking about tire doctoring and Traction control, and cheaters in general.

Why the heck don't the race organizers and promoters get smart.
They want sealed motors, You can buy those seals on Ebay. They want smaller motors. they want to make a kagillion rules that they nor Jesus could possibly enforce and inspect in this lifetime.

410 sprints are too expensive 305 Sprints aren't fast enough. Gang fast is relevant to whatever you are racing with. Sometimes a good four cylinder race is as good or better than a 410 ci. freight train.

Why don't we take a little of USAC's wisdom and use rev limiters. Make every racer use a track furnished box to be changed every race day.
This would keep revs down and add to engine life.

But next and this is the important part>>>>Taking from the rental Go Kart people>>> Mandate that since most of us run quick change rear ends that every race car would have the same gear in place and RR Tire.

Think about it>>>>>>>>>>

At the end of the race the cars come in, the tec guy checks and removes the sealed box from the race car, raises the car and checks the rear end ratio, and tec is done. Now an enterprising group might allow a ratio so high that a 305 couldn't pull it and the 410 would win, but if it was one that a 305 could pull and max out there would be a race and everybody would be happy.;)

Honest Dad himself:6::6:
gegf

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That would mean the same ring and pinion, as well as, the same change gear set.... right?

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Cecil

Yep. Recon it wouldn't be too long before they was all 305s. That's how we do things in today's Progressive society. :39::44:

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Ha!ha!

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billy

Some of the best racing I have ever had the pleasure to witness was done with small 302 CI. Motors on skinny little 9 inch rear tires and driven by "Past Masters" of the trade. These guys drove close, raced hard but very seldom over drove, they new their lives depended on it.

Honest Dad himself:6::6: