Letter from Kevin Miller
 

Thursday Thunder Returns To Indy




As we approach the annual tradition of the Silver Crown and Midget doubleheader at ORP on Thursday, July 24, there are many questions as to the status of Pavement Midget racing.


At the end of 2012, just days before releasing the National Midget schedule for 2013, we looked at the pending schedule of race events on the calendar for the 2013 season. The list of events included nearly every major midget event in the country. Belleville, Gold Crown, 4 Crown, Turkey Night and new additions Kokomo Grand Prix and the Western World now featuring midgets. All of these grand events were on the dirt. The pavement schedule, however, was disappointing. Every dirt event was a "sold" event to an engaged promoter. Every pavement event, with the one exception of the traditional Night Before the 500, was a track rental, USAC promoted event. The decision was made, and applauded by the majority of teams, to split the schedules to grow the dirt momentum.


And that it did. We are very pleased that the car count for the National Midget Series has grown over 40% in just two years. The average count in 2012 was 29 cars. In 2013, first year all-dirt, the count grew to 36. YTD in 2014 is 41.


In 2011, both Turkey Night and Night Before the 500 were on pavement. Both had car counts entered that year around 35 cars. In 2012, Turkey Night went to dirt and had 59 cars entering the event. In 2014, with one of the largest paying purses for midget racing in the country, and additional owner incentives in place, just 11 cars entered the Night Before the 500 at ORP. The only promoted pavement midget race for the year. WE disappointed not only the promoter, but the very good fan turnout that came to see tradition in Indy on Memorial Day weekend.


The entry for the July 24 event is below, and includes the Midget race entry form. I am asking that we have a July 10th deadline for Midget entries as we look to secure adequate entries for a show fans appreciate. Eleven cars is not what our fans expect for entertainment.

Pavement racing has always been a valued part of USAC Racing and has been the catalyst in launching several successful careers at higher levels. We are committed to continuing, and rebuilding, pavement midget racing. Participation will determine it's future.

Please feel free to contact me with questions or concerns directly.


Kevin Miller

317.446.7717 (c)



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Probably overstepping my boundrys but. Thats it? Show up or its over? No purse increases, start money? etc?

Just like Powri took almost all Indiana dirt midget racing. Looks like Stars will take the pavement.

There is the possibility that the track won't want to open the gates for another race with 11 cars, therefore requiring the 7/10 entry deadline from USAC. I believe they added purse and start money as well as a tire deal for the night before and still were only able to secure 11 cars.

If there are so many dirt cars , why not just just run those on pavement and outlaw the special built pavement cars. And by the way, do your figures count the pavement races from the first year you went by? I'd like to see the average car counts of the last few midget weeks and gold crown and see which direction it's actually headed.

Originally Posted by ThrowbackRacingTeam:
I'd like to see the average car counts of the last few midget weeks and gold crown and see which direction it's actually headed.

Here's the race results for every Indiana Midget Week.

https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/indianamidgetweek.php

Heres 2013... https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/sho...d.php?&t=69652

Thanks Mr. Gardner. Midget week does look consistent and that's good. But, there are so many others that are hurting and Mr. Miller seems to be oblivious. Belleville and anything on half miles, all pavement races, everything at Sun Prairie, sprint cars at Terre Haute and all other half miles, sprints everywhere besides the Indiana quarters and Silver Crown at every race. That's a lot for me to accept that everything is fine. If only having 23 sprinters at the Hulman Classic doesn't raise a red flag, I don't know what will. They don't run midgets there anymore because of the engines. The day they have to stop running the sprints there would be very devastating for people like me that love the half miles so much. I sure hope things turn around somehow.

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Originally Posted by ThrowbackRacingTeam:
Thanks Mr. Gardner. Midget week does look consistent and that's good. But, there are so many others that are hurting and Mr. Miller seems to be oblivious. Belleville and anything on half miles, all pavement races, everything at Sun Prairie, sprint cars at Terre Haute and all other half miles, sprints everywhere besides the Indiana quarters and Silver Crown at every race. That's a lot for me to accept that everything is fine. If only having 23 sprinters at the Hulman Classic doesn't raise a red flag, I don't know what will. They don't run midgets there anymore because of the engines. The day they have to stop running the sprints there would be very devastating for people like me that love the half miles so much. I sure hope things turn around somehow.

Who didn't race at the Hulman Classic who had a chance to win?

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You got to applaud the effort Mr. $500,000 is making here! Maybe when his salary gets to $1,000,000 he will actually get out of his office! Seriously, is this his next big move?

Originally Posted by ossuks:
You got to applaud the effort Mr. $500,000 is making here! Maybe when his salary gets to $1,000,000 he will actually get out of his office! Seriously, is this his next big move?

Bill, you've clearly demonstrated your own personal bias against KM. At some point, you start sounding like one of the political strategists on TV screaming partisan bias and not a damn thing gets fixed.

A few weeks ago I thought you opened some eyes about the salary but that's not the only problem facing PAVEMENT ANYTHING. Fill in the blank. Midgets, sprints, silver crown, tracks etc. Not everything is controlled by KM and everything isn't his fault.

In his letter he said, "Participation will determine it's future." You know he's right. That participation must come from EVERYONE who is truly interested in making it better.

I know it's hard for you to separate your dislike for KM from the rest of the people in the sport but PLEASE, stop screaming partisan bias and try to focus on helping the type of people who were part of the reason you got involved with USAC to begin with. Please.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Probably overstepping my boundrys but. Thats it? Show up or its over? No purse increases, start money? etc?

Just like Powri took almost all Indiana dirt midget racing. Looks like Stars will take the pavement.

STARS has had less than 20 cars so far in the 2014 season. They are long way from "taking over pavement"

The WMRA group [pavement] had 7 cars for their last race. That was USAC's fault. :17:

http://wmraracing.wix.com/wmra

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Unfortunately in the world we all live, we create our own supply chain problems through our buying habits. The 'ol chicken and the egg paradigm, which came first?

Case in point, aging consumers want small towns that have all that character and history to thrive yet most of those consumers do their shopping at big box stores such as Wal-mart and Target because they are price sensitive. The selection and prices are certainly more beneficial at those stores and the revenue is used to feed the head of the monster and benefits the local economy, more importantly the workers, little to none. Still yet, we want to see that little mom and pop store down on main stay open. The same place we think they are overpriced and the selection sucks but crucify the owner the day the "going out of business" sign goes up. We almost take it personally that someone dare take our memories and board them up, even tho we did little to nothing to help keep that front door open. We all want to walk main street on the beautiful summer evening but aren't willing to pay for it the rest of the year.

Racing, not just open wheel, is no different. Sectors of racing that in the past have been thriving and viable just don't make fiscal sense to the average consumer (the car owner's and spectators) at this point and they have taken their dollar to the Wal-Mart of open wheel racing which is local dirt tracks. It's quick, cheap, easy, you know there will be cars and the racing should be good. Same as the model above, the folks that won't spend their dollar are the same that call out foul when events and car counts die out and "main street" goes dark. There is nostalgia in silver crown racing, there is nostalgia pavement racing, and certainly there is nostalgia in almost all the crown jewel USAC events that are really struggling right now. Nostalgia is expensive and if it's to be kept, we all must pay and do our part... at least if it's still important to us and want to be shared for the future.

USAC has dipped into their pockets for a while to keep "main streets" lights on and I think that is where KM is coming from. I don't at all agree with the overhead at USAC and the structure of operating a non-for-profit as a profitable entity but having said that, it's allowed the lights to stay on longer than they would otherwise. For the general racing consumer, it's been a savior because it's allowed for those summer walks past the storefronts without actually putting money in those same cash registers. Unfortunately it's starting to look like the end is near unless us racing consumers start dropping some change into the events we love.

Can it change? Of course it can, but only if "main street" becomes part of our shopping routine. Balance is ok, hit the local dirt tracks 3 weeks out of 4, but that 4th week.. make it a special night watching or racing something different and nostalgic.

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After looking at car counts from other clubs, not good. I'm guessing attendance isn't that great either.

http://www.midgetmadness.com/

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Originally Posted by ThrowbackRacingTeam:
Thanks Mr. Gardner. Midget week does look consistent and that's good. But, there are so many others that are hurting and Mr. Miller seems to be oblivious. Belleville and anything on half miles, all pavement races, everything at Sun Prairie, sprint cars at Terre Haute and all other half miles, sprints everywhere besides the Indiana quarters and Silver Crown at every race. That's a lot for me to accept that everything is fine. If only having 23 sprinters at the Hulman Classic doesn't raise a red flag, I don't know what will. They don't run midgets there anymore because of the engines. The day they have to stop running the sprints there would be very devastating for people like me that love the half miles so much. I sure hope things turn around somehow.

It really doesn't matter what kind of car midget, sprint crown a half mile is hard on the motors Also wasn;t the Hulman Classic held on a Thursday night? I am thinking a awful lot of teams had to work that day and the day after. Not argueing just saying

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Originally Posted by Kellen Conover:
There is the possibility that the track won't want to open the gates for another race with 11 cars, therefore requiring the 7/10 entry deadline from USAC. I believe they added purse and start money as well as a tire deal for the night before and still were only able to secure 11 cars.

From my understanding the incentives were good for the Night Before, but these incentives were not offered, or brought to surface until less than two weeks before the show. When other drivers already had commitments to run else where (Little 500 etc). I like what they offered, but offer it at the beginning of the year when people form/plan their schedules

dont really think low car count at hulman classis has to do with it being a half mile or thursday as much as it has to do with the wall they put around it. didnt really bother people much untill shanes wreck think that opened up peoples minds know after the walls went up we quit taking our sprints there . jmo

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:22:[QUOTE=ThrowbackRacingTeam;381707]If there are so many dirt cars , why not just just run those on pavement and outlaw the special built pavement cars. QUOTE]

Success is not measured by car counts alone, although they are part of the equation.
I do agree with you here Throwback. It took a real talent to make the same car work on both in the past. So change the rule and make it so they have too. Put those 11 midgets in the crusher (just kidding) :3:.
I don't know, maybe be the sanctions need to be more cordial and appealing to the car owner group not the corporations.The corporations as well as the kahnes, stewarts and such shouldn't be fielding race car teams but putting the money towards the sport as in sponsorships of racing events ie Stoops with Kokomo Smackdown. This is surely to ease the pressure off of the venue, promoter and sanction to operate efficiently and concentrate more on the task at hand.
Not sure that I agree wholeheartedly with the dirt midget comeback until the 2 major sanctions level the playing field to back away from certain toyata dominance (Honestly, my interest has waned, when all too frequently there is at least 1, 2 if not 3 Black & Red Toyotas on the podium.). I see the real racing going on for 4th, 5th & 6th when the 3 Toyota amigos thing develops up front. Honestly, If I could freely get out of my rooms in Wisc. this weekend, I wouldn't be making the trip. For I fear, that is what I will see on the podium up there.
I don't want to see the corporate teams win. I want the grass roots guys in victory lane. How long do you think the numbers will stay up there when they know, they don't have a chance to even win a heat race let alone make the feature ? You end up doing the race teams economics and well......Parity is what is good for the sport not dominance by 1-3 drivers or black/red Midgets. I expect to start seeing more clubs start back up or strengthen before they throw in the towel. After all isn't this USAC National Midget Series supposed to be the HONDA midget series? I would think they would be questioning USAC about the Toyota dominance? :11:
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Many of you more veteran users here, can remember NAMARS was the originator of Midget week (The 5 Crown Nationals).:22:
That group put on some very good shows (Pavement & Dirt), whether you liked their personel or not.

You young-uns read the following link.

Ref;
http://www.circletrack.com/eventcove...g/viewall.html


Well now that I've rambled on like this,
I fear I should have stopped after the first sentence, as I'm sure I have opened the proverbial can of worms.
However, I'm feeling my freedoms as we approach the july 4th celebrations, so there it is. I can always unsubscribe and go back into the shadows and lurk. :44:

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I remember the NAMARS 5 Crown series quite well. They put on some great shows,

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The Hulman also had severe weather all around all day but they still got it in. They put some dozer tires and stuff on top of the wall that would lessen a impact on top of it.


What worries me is, The low number of local and budget teams that are showing. Not just the Hulman, It wasn't well attended last year and it did rain but Sprint Week as well, It was the lowest count.

While Brents statement of what teams weren't there that could have won may be true, In five years when some of them teams and drivers aren't around, Where's the next batch? People used to race at Terre Haute *BECAUSE IT WAS TERRE HAUTE*

From what i've seen of it, It really isn't all about *TOP EQUIPMENT* but the number of laps the drivers have on it.

USAC needs a feeder series and HDP or FOCUS isn't it. Something they can draw from, Not exclusive too. There should be a dozen new racers coming into it every year and maybe 20 percent of that will move on to Midget, Sprint and SC if they can find the means. Something a family could afford to run with the hopes that a standout would be picked up or noticed by somebody who could sponsor them.

Something like TQ's or 600 NW Mini Sprints or even a USAC Modified series.

YMMV but IMHO The problems right now are more people leaving the sport entirely or seeking other options like MOWA, Powri, WOO, ASCS and others, than is coming into USAC is whats killing it more than the Pavement vs Dirt argument.

Also, Without some of the pavement, I think that door to Nascar is slowly shutting again.

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Originally Posted by ronmil:
I remember the NAMARS 5 Crown series quite well. They put on some great shows,

NAMARS was fine with Jack Calabrase. The series crumbled after he was gone. As for Bill Carey's comments. I agree that is a lot of money, but that is true with most not for profits. Such as the National Football League. We have not for profit charity in Kokomo that lives off donations and the United Way where the Director makes $129,000 a year. I am not saying right or wrong, I am saying it is very common. Hey Bill, what did the guy make before Kevin Miller , or the guy before him? I am sure it was comparable, yet I don't remember you ever complaining about that. I think I know why. When I worked for a promoter he asked what the nightly payroll was for his Sprintweek race. You were paid $500 a night, your wife was paid $250, and your son was paid $250. So let's not act like people were donating their time until Kevin Miller showed up. I don't think you are concerned with what the President of USAC makes near as much as you are bitter that your cash cow died. Why else would you have been so silent so long? Please feel free to answer my questions.

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Car counts for STARS midgets so far in the 2014.
May 31 Grundy - 16 cars
June 14 Grundy doubleheader - 15 cars started the first feature and 14 for the second.

Must See Sprints
The Florida races had 18 on night one and 17 for the second.
May 21 Anderson - 15 cars
May 24 Little 500 only 33... no bumping. People on this board bitched and moan when USAC sanction this race and the car count went down to the mid 30's. This year....silence from the critics.
June 7 Auto City - 15 cars
June 21 Owosso - 17 cars.

It's funny to me nobody points this out.

Addition of the AVSS sprint club
Angola - 17 cars
Kalamazoo - 16 cars
Toledo - 18 cars
M40 - 13 cars
Birch Run - 14 cars

This no reflection on the drivers,car owners or officials. Car counts are down all over, one club gets ripped and the other ones are given a pass.

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
NAMARS was fine with Jack Calabrase. The series crumbled after he was gone. As for Bill Carey's comments. I agree that is a lot of money, but that is true with most not for profits. Such as the National Football League. We have not for profit charity in Kokomo that lives off donations and the United Way where the Director makes $129,000 a year. I am not saying right or wrong, I am saying it is very common. Hey Bill, what did the guy make before Kevin Miller , or the guy before him? I am sure it was comparable, yet I don't remember you ever complaining about that. I think I know why. When I worked for a promoter he asked what the nightly payroll was for his Sprintweek race. You were paid $500 a night, your wife was paid $250, and your son was paid $250. So let's not act like people were donating their time until Kevin Miller showed up. I don't think you are concerned with what the President of USAC makes near as much as you are bitter that your cash cow died. Why else would you have been so silent so long? Please feel free to answer my questions.

Wow!! Somebody owes me some money!!! Facts are I made $175 and my wife and son made $125. Also, we paid for gas, food, and motels. $125,000 was the max salary, to my knowledge for the previous President!

So, either someone has memory problem, or someone lies OR, KM was charging that amount and paying much less !!

Brent, if you are going to make statements about me at least have a clue as to what your saying!!

As Bill G. has stated I have ridden this horse long enough, so....I think I will delete this site from my cp and move on!

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Originally Posted by ThrowbackRacingTeam:
Thanks Mr. Gardner. Midget week does look consistent and that's good. But, there are so many others that are hurting and Mr. Miller seems to be oblivious. Belleville and anything on half miles, all pavement races, everything at Sun Prairie, sprint cars at Terre Haute and all other half miles, sprints everywhere besides the Indiana quarters and Silver Crown at every race. That's a lot for me to accept that everything is fine. If only having 23 sprinters at the Hulman Classic doesn't raise a red flag, I don't know what will. They don't run midgets there anymore because of the engines. The day they have to stop running the sprints there would be very devastating for people like me that love the half miles so much. I sure hope things turn around somehow.

Funny thing. We went there (THAT) for years with sprints and midgets and never gave it a thought because THAT'S WHERE THE RACE WAS. If Kenny doesn't want to take his stuff there because he feels it's not safe, I can respect that. But this "it's too hard on the motors" crap just burns my ass. If you didn't feel the need to wind it 10,000 metaphorical RPMs then maybe it wouldn't be as hard on the motors. "But everybody else is doing it, so we have to do it to compete". Fine, here's how you fix it. Everybody gets an ECU or spark box, or however you want to control it, from USAC and it's chipped so you can't turn over 8K before it starts cutting cylinders two at a time. You wanna turn 10K? Fine, enjoy it with your 4 cylinder. Turn it in at the end of the night. Go somewhere else, run your own.

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Originally Posted by ossuks:
As Bill G. has stated I have ridden this horse long enough, so....I think I will delete this site from my cp and move on!

What? Because Bill disagreed with you? Or Brent did? Somebody with your experience and knowledge could add so much to this board, if they wanted to. And God knows sometimes it needs it, to act as a counter weight to some of the dumbass posts that are put up. You don't have to do "I Hate USAC In It's Current Form Show" all the time. I think most people have gotten your point.

Jerry

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Originally Posted by ossuks:
As Bill G. has stated I have ridden this horse long enough, so....I think I will delete this site from my cp and move on!

Well... that wasn't what I was trying to do. People discount some of the things you say because sometimes you sound like a disgruntled former employee. You can be constructive or "participate" without sounding like your grinding an axe. I know you can because I've seen it before.

It amazes me how clueless people are on here, I'm not grass roots? I field 3 cars and I'm bad for the sport, people want sponsers to go away, just amazing the things people think.
Keith Kunz

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Keith, I want you there. That's for damn sure. And so does everybody else. Your job is to go win races, ya'll do it. Keep doing it.

I will say this, I know a guy that as tried calling the USAC office about getting information on the national series, and nobody will call him back. Don't blame the racers all the time.

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Originally Posted by ossuks:
Wow!! Somebody owes me some money!!! Facts are I made $175 and my wife and son made $125. Also, we paid for gas, food, and motels. $125,000 was the max salary, to my knowledge for the previous President!

So, either someone has memory problem, or someone lies OR, KM was charging that amount and paying much less !!

Brent, if you are going to make statements about me at least have a clue as to what your saying!!

As Bill G. has stated I have ridden this horse long enough, so....I think I will delete this site from my cp and move on!

I am just basing this on what I was told back then. You mean to tell me you never were in a casino parking lot in a USAC vehicle on your way to the races? C'mon man.

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Keith I think for the good of the sport and to try something different to engage the fans. Can I suggest that you stay home this weekend ? Lets see if it will drive up car counts and bring more fans to APS this weekend. ;)

My guess would be that car count would be down 3 cars, the fan count would remain unchanged and a Kunz wrenched car would still find victory lane ... but it is worth a try, what do you say I mean for the good of the sport and all ......

Tim Clauson

Originally Posted by kundog:
It amazes me how clueless people are on here, I'm not grass roots? I field 3 cars and I'm bad for the sport, people want sponsers to go away, just amazing the things people think.
Keith Kunz

Tim, I would love to have two days off from my corporate job, but my wife demands that I work this holiday weekend to put food on the table, so I must go continue to ruin the sport.

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So what is the answer......?

I thought racing meant trying to beat the best . Apparently those red and black cars r the best right now . But the drivers of those 3 cars have won in other cars too .

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Keith, I am a non wing fan forever but decided to take in the All Star show @ Limaland Speedway last Friday night. I was so pleased to see you, Christopher Bell, and what I believe was a MoPar in your winged sprint car. I was pleased not because your team was going to dominate but because another quality team was in the field of 45 cars for my racing entertainment. You are "for the good of the sport" because you raise the bar just like so many have before you. Thank you for your passion and love of the sport!

PS. 20 winged pavement cars at Toledo tonight. Hell of a finish with Troy DeCaire climbing through the field to take the lead only to have JoJo Helberg take it back with a few laps to go. WOW two wing shows in five days.

O.K., the 10'th has come and gone. I was one of the car owners of the 11 pavement cars that paticipated in what was probably the last of the Night Before The 500. I had my own reasons for dusting off a car after 3 years and towing 1300 miles each way from New Mexico to participate. Suffice it to say that a picture on my office wall signed by my 15 yr. old driver saying it was the most exciting night of his life is all the payoff I needed. He came up through USAC'S junior ranks and performed very well considering he had never been in a National midget or been on IRP.

If you want to know what is wrong with USAC, look no further than the fact that I never got a call inquiring as to whether I would be attending the July 24 race. I cannot imagine another racing organization that treats it's participants in this fashion. We completed all the laps and finished 5'th. Why wouldn't we be invited back? Would you as a promoter be too busy to contact the actual participants and inquire as to their intentions? Until this changes it makes no difference the venue or the car type. Wish there was a real board of directors and I was on it-this would never happen

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USAC customer service?

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Originally Posted by midget96:
USAC customer service?

That is the number one problem with USAC they don't care !!!!! If its not Kevin Millers ideal he wont listen.

My buddy still hasn't heard back from the USAC office. If they cared they would be beating down doors to get the cars to show up, and do everything they can to keep them.

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Originally Posted by kundog:
Tim, I would love to have two days off from my corporate job, but my wife demands that I work this holiday weekend to put food on the table, so I must go continue to ruin the sport.

Damn, the sprintcar folks ought to be glad your not running some sprintcars every week! Keep up the good work. You are helping some amazing drivers move up to the next level. Even if I wish they would keep racing sprints and midgets. :23: :31: :22:

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Originally Posted by mcgerigle:
If you want to know what is wrong with USAC, look no further than the fact that I never got a call inquiring as to whether I would be attending the July 24 race. I cannot imagine another racing organization that treats it's participants in this fashion. We completed all the laps and finished 5'th. Why wouldn't we be invited back? Would you as a promoter be too busy to contact the actual participants and inquire as to their intentions? Until this changes it makes no difference the venue or the car type. Wish there was a real board of directors and I was on it-this would never happen

O.K., Really? This what is wrong with USAC?

Believe me when I say that I could write a book as to the issues at USAC, but this borders on ridiculous. Credit is due that you came up from New Mexico. In fact, that is amazing in this day and age for someone to travel that far, for one event. Glad it went well, and seemed to be worth the $ spent for you, and your driver!
But now they're supposed to call you every time there is a race? The letter clearly states that the entry form is below, which contains pretty much every bit of information you could need. If your going, fill it out and go race. What do you need a phone call for?

You say that you cannot imagine another racing organization that "treats" it's participants in this fashion. What? Are you being treated bad? Unfairly? Rudely, etc.? You didn't get phone call, so now you're being treated bad? A phone call that would accomplish exactly what? Other than saying the obligatory thanks for driving all that way last time, are you going to do it again? What more can be discussed other than re-hashing what is already on the entry blank, or you asking for some sort of "deal"?

When POWRi has race in Oklahoma, do you think Kenny Brown sits there and calls an owner from Ohio that participated in one race?

Again, could things be done different at USAC? Sure. But if you went out and bought a race car (nevermind your particular location), you had to have some knowledge of how the game is played. So don't expect to be coddled by this, or any other sanctioning body. Fill out the entry form (or don't), show up and race. This "I own a race car, and should be treated special" mentality is as tiresome as average society needing their hand held to purchase a shower curtain.

Put simply another way: Do you think Jack Hewitt ever got upset about not receiving a phone call from USAC (or anyone else), asking if he was going to participate in the next race?.... (and then put it on social media :5:

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Much like our government has done USAC and several racing organizations are in the process of putting themselves out of business with their "Rule Book". Their philosophy of you can fix anything with a new rule is simply wrong. "Rules" are not the answer "Rules" are the problem. They have gone to great lengths to require that teams must race 50 year old motor designs in the form of custom built "Billet Replicas" of the old motors of the past. Times change engine design changes, engine size requirements change, USAC's idea of the correct specifications for a race motor does not change.

Chassis and component prices have increased with the cost of gasoline, however the cost of racing engines are now in "High Earth Orbit". At this point in time we just don't have enough wealthy racers that can afford a $60,000.00 motor and $10,000.00 a freshen up, and very few racers want to race for 6th place. That is the problem!!;)

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Originally Posted by Crankin:
O.K., Really? This what is wrong with USAC?

Believe me when I say that I could write a book as to the issues at USAC, but this borders on ridiculous. Credit is due that you came up from New Mexico. In fact, that is amazing in this day and age for someone to travel that far, for one event. Glad it went well, and seemed to be worth the $ spent for you, and your driver!
But now they're supposed to call you every time there is a race? The letter clearly states that the entry form is below, which contains pretty much every bit of information you could need. If your going, fill it out and go race. What do you need a phone call for?

You say that you cannot imagine another racing organization that "treats" it's participants in this fashion. What? Are you being treated bad? Unfairly? Rudely, etc.? You didn't get phone call, so now you're being treated bad? A phone call that would accomplish exactly what? Other than saying the obligatory thanks for driving all that way last time, are you going to do it again? What more can be discussed other than re-hashing what is already on the entry blank, or you asking for some sort of "deal"?

When POWRi has race in Oklahoma, do you think Kenny Brown sits there and calls an owner from Ohio that participated in one race?

Again, could things be done different at USAC? Sure. But if you went out and bought a race car (nevermind your particular location), you had to have some knowledge of how the game is played. So don't expect to be coddled by this, or any other sanctioning body. Fill out the entry form (or don't), show up and race. This "I own a race car, and should be treated special" mentality is as tiresome as average society needing their hand held to purchase a shower curtain.

Put simply another way: Do you think Jack Hewitt ever got upset about not receiving a phone call from USAC (or anyone else), asking if he was going to participate in the next race?.... (and then put it on social media :5:

When you've got 11 cars that show up IN Indianapolis, 13 at DuQuoin last September... I think you are calling anybody and everybody