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As I watch these races on most Sat. nights while its cold and before our season starts I cant help but wonder,, since all that dirt has already been brought in to these stadiums why not use that next day to run a chilli bowl style event in some of them? Surely after the Sat. nights show a crew could knock that track down and make a circle track out of it??

Originally Posted by Quantrill:
As I watch these races on most Sat. nights while its cold and before our season starts I cant help but wonder,, since all that dirt has already been brought in to these stadiums why not use that next day to run a chilli bowl style event in some of them? Surely after the Sat. nights show a crew could knock that track down and make a circle track out of it??

Couldn't imagine the cost it would take to rent a facility like Lucas oil stadium way out of the budget of most short track racing series I would think.

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I've often wondered the same but the dust from our type cars would make for a mess all over, can't have that in a new stadium lol. I'd say with rental fees it wouldn't be feasible, maybe Tony B could shed some light on this, will we ever see open wheel racing of any sort at lucas oil?

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Time and Money solve all issues. However, I wonder if the safety concerns would be met. When you watch the time lapse pictures of them making the Chili bowl, the first thing that they do is set up the outside walls and catch fences. Then they start working on the dirt.

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I've been told more than once clean up is expensive. They ran the PRI cart race once, at Conseco, or whatever it is now. The biggest complaint from them I was told , was the fume smell in the upholstery. They weren't too keen on running another one.

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Originally Posted by Quantrill:
As I watch these races on most Sat. nights while its cold and before our season starts I cant help but wonder,, since all that dirt has already been brought in to these stadiums why not use that next day to run a chilli bowl style event in some of them? Surely after the Sat. nights show a crew could knock that track down and make a circle track out of it??

Mark

Do a little research> Find out who is promoting the race and contact them..A few years ago We got in with a guy that did monster trucks here in louisville. He let us put on races as filler for his shows. I talked with him about cost. Freedom hall here in louisville was about $7000.00 A NIGHT. It cost about $5000.00 to haul in and put in the track. The big problem is finding a night after his show that wasn't booked already. They would have to move the dirt out and set up a basketball court or hockey rink for the next night. His big fear is that we would get over the catch fence and hit one of their million dollar roll away bleachers.

It is dooable, we got a guy in DuQuoin who wants to do it for us right now.
but if we don't show support it will evaporate right before our eyes. promoters like to turn a profit and usually a loss will send them looking for other things to promote.

Had rotator cuff operation and I am even worse with one finger.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Back in the day they ran amateur mx on Sunday after the super cross. I think Mike Kidd was the promoter. I never raced it but helped a guy that did, we had to pit outside and it was pretty cold.

For one, I don't think the dirt that is used for SX has enough clay content and is too loamy to be utilized for our type of racing. The existing dirt could be used for the base structure and layout of banking but I think it would then have to be capped with 10-18" of a heavier clay. That would also cut any dust potential as there is virtually none at the Chili Bowl. Just one of the many barriers besides money that would prevent this dream that many of us have.

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Originally Posted by DAD:
Mark

Do a little research> Find out who is promoting the race and contact them..A few years ago We got in with a guy that did monster trucks here in louisville. He let us put on races as filler for his shows. I talked with him about cost. Freedom hall here in louisville was about $7000.00 A NIGHT. It cost about $5000.00 to haul in and put in the track. The big problem is finding a night after his show that wasn't booked already. They would have to move the dirt out and set up a basketball court or hockey rink for the next night. His big fear is that we would get over the catch fence and hit one of their million dollar roll away bleachers.

It is dooable, we got a guy in DuQuoin who wants to do it for us right now.
but if we don't show support it will evaporate right before our eyes. promoters like to turn a profit and usually a loss will send them looking for other things to promote.

Had rotator cuff operation and I am even worse with one finger.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Feld Entertainment is the promoter of AMA Supercross and here's a link to the 30 page marketing plan for Monster Energy Supercross.

http://anyafrans.files.wordpress.com...eting-plan.pdf

Maybe, if someone could put together a marketing plan that made as much sense, someone at Feld might read it...

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Cad

That was a $100,000.00 research paper to secure a multi million dollar sponsorship deal. The big thing that i got out of it was that the last few years have been down for them also.

We probably need to start out a little less ambitious, at least till we land a sponsorship deal.

Did I mention that Steve Nace promotions also promotes AMA flat track races around here and down in Florida. In fact i went to his website and noticed that "The Bullring" race track is one of his sponsors. Wayne???

http://www.stevenaceracing.com/Mini%20Sprints.htm MINI-LIGHTNING SPRINTS

http://www.stevenaceracing.com/mcatv.html THE BULLRING

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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My point is, Feld isn't going to give us the time of day... so to speak.

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Cad

Thank God the Feld company are not the only people putting on dirt shows in stadiums around the USA. There are also a lot of smaller outfits doing the same thing, at least that is what they say in their perspective. I would work on one of them smaller groups, they may be looking for a way to share expense with someone.

Right now Du Quoin is where it is at and in just 25 days.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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As someone who has worked with several of these companies, there are several things that go into the contracts on these events. #1 your bigger stadiums will not rent to 1 promoter for the first few days, then another promoter for the last few days. This is basically damage concerns. Also a group like Feld will not set up a 2nd event because there is no way they could sell out a large facility. THey will also not take any injury risk. They have there business model and it works.
#2 many of the big contracts have non compete clauses. For example Feld has a 2 or 3 month clause in there contract. No motor sports events may be held 2 months prior to there event or 2 months after there event.
#3 Daily cost- as stupid as it may sound, in many venues large groups like feld will start removing the dirt that night. They will have everything removed within 24 to 36 hours of the event ending. Every building has a daily cost. Many feld events happen on back to back weekends (monster Jam 1 weekend, motocross the next weekend). They will truck all of the dirt out by the end of the day sunday. Then haul it all back in starting on wed. It is cheaper to haul the dirt out, then right back in than it is to leave it in the stadium all week long.

The cheepest way to race indoors is on concrete. That will not happen in Indy, because the field is permante. I know it sounds stupid, but under all of that dirt is 2 to 3 layers of plywood. Then plastic, then the actual field.

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Regarding the dirt at a supercross race....Feld owns every bucketload of dirt used at every race...they have owned it all for years, they store it in a controlled environment all year long, and after they use it it goes back into storage for next year. No way are they going to let another entity compromise their investment in buying and maintaining their dirt.

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We are all setting around and talking about why can't we get somebody to put on a Chili Bowl type race for us. We have managed to find all kinds of reasons why it will not work. Well the Chili Bowl did not start out with a 300 car count in the pits its first time out. It started out with a couple of guys that said why not.

We have a guy right now that is saying why not. He has already secured his purse, the arena is rented, and I don't hear anybody talking about supporting his efforts. That doesn't seem like a good way to encourage more races for the future. This guy may not be renting the big time arenas out there but he does rent the Center in Du Quoin Il. and the Bull Ring in Ocala Fl. If he sees that he can make a buck more races will follow I am sure. His talking about races in Indiana during the winter, and there is more than one place in Indiana that could host a race.

Why can't we get together for one weekend in March barring tornadoes and support this race. We will be running for $2000.00 to the winner, perhaps it would be better for us to keep our mouth shut, but then I go back and have to say "Boy I Love Competition"

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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At some of the west coast races they have Monster Trucks the following weekend. I believe the NMRA tqs have run exhibition races at Anaheim Stadium during a couple of these shows.

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Originally Posted by rwright:
At some of the west coast races they have Monster Trucks the following weekend. I believe the NMRA tqs have run exhibition races at Anaheim Stadium during a couple of these shows.

Feld also promotes a significant number of Monster Truck events so that makes perfect sense....It would sure be cool if they would consistently book some sort of open wheel race to go along with all the monster truck shows.

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Originally Posted by darnall:
Feld also promotes a significant number of Monster Truck events so that makes perfect sense....It would sure be cool if they would consistently book some sort of open wheel race to go along with all the monster truck shows.

Sorry but its not going to happen. Anything outside of the monster trucks is considered filler. Nothing else. You want a midget race, you will be allowed to bring in 10 to 14 cars. They will get 1 race that will be 6 to 10 laps in length. O ya, no push trucks, they take to much time. Also there will be no yellow flags. the first flip that results in a red flag will be the end of your race. There will be no wreckers either. If the car can not be removed with a bobcat, it will become part of the course. There business model works. They do not need to add anything to there shows, they already drawl enough fans. Everything I just described happened at the show last weekend in Arlington, TX. The cars they removed with a bobcat were legands cars. Lets just say neither driver was happy. O ya 1 more reason why this will not happen, there is 0 pit space. The monster trucks take up all of the space. There is no way they would let 10 toter homes come in to park. If you want to run indoors, and there is a promotor doing indoor shows, you need to support them. The only way the big boys are going to throw you a bone is the way I have listed above. By the way, if you do not believe me, call me up and you can talk with the other officials that help me out. A filler is act is just that.

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Originally Posted by 767:
Sorry but its not going to happen. Anything outside of the monster trucks is considered filler. Nothing else. You want a midget race, you will be allowed to bring in 10 to 14 cars. They will get 1 race that will be 6 to 10 laps in length. O ya, no push trucks, they take to much time. Also there will be no yellow flags. the first flip that results in a red flag will be the end of your race. There will be no wreckers either. If the car can not be removed with a bobcat, it will become part of the course. There business model works. They do not need to add anything to there shows, they already drawl enough fans. Everything I just described happened at the show last weekend in Arlington, TX. The cars they removed with a bobcat were legands cars. Lets just say neither driver was happy. O ya 1 more reason why this will not happen, there is 0 pit space. The monster trucks take up all of the space. There is no way they would let 10 toter homes come in to park. If you want to run indoors, and there is a promotor doing indoor shows, you need to support them. The only way the big boys are going to throw you a bone is the way I have listed above. By the way, if you do not believe me, call me up and you can talk with the other officials that help me out. A filler is act is just that.

7

That is exacty what we were at Freedom Hall in Louisville. We had it a whole lot better than you described however. The promoter "Buck" Beasley put on several monster truck shows around Kentucky. He was not affiliated with the bigger guys but still brought in trucks like Grave Digger, Big Foot and others for a show. We were filler but he sure treated us good. We got I think 5 general admission tickets each and 3 pit passes, there were no entry fees and he payed in trophys and cash. He allowed us 15 cars, ran 2 heats and a feature and allowed us to pit inside with the trucks. He liked the mini sprints for their self starters and wheel to wheel racing. The best thing in it for us was we got to race in front of more than 10,000 fans for two nights.

The last show was snowed out several years ago and the economy has not allowed for any of "Buck's" shows to be put on for the last couple of years. They sure were a lot of fun.

We have a promoter that wants to make us the top of the card, We need to support him.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Would the Indiana State Fairgrounds Coliseum be big enough?

http://www.in.gov/statefair/fairgrounds/COLISEUM(r).pdf