Mini Sprints at Duquoin
 

The Flyer is out, everybody is talking about it, What rules will they race under??? Time is running out and February 2014 will be here much too soon for us people that are running at what seems like light speed. As you kids get older you will know what I am talking about.

A. ILSS standard rules?

B. ILSS rules altered like in their races before?

C. Tulsa Shoot out rules?

D. AMSA rules like the last time when we raced on the mini Mile.?

E. The first ever race run under the New National Mega Race Rules?

The rules chosen is important so that racer's have time to prep for the race. Will the race try to exclude some racers leaving the race less competitive or will they attempt to be inclusive and get the largest turn out possible with the most competitive racing? That is the big question right now.

How do the racers at large feel about their options.
I am also very aware that the people with the money are the ones that should be calling the shots.

This is just one little way to get our finger on the pulse of the racers, and "Indiana Open Wheel" seems to have the majority of the Mini Sprint racers as readers.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Speaking strictly for myself...
I would like to see an all-inclusive approach, since the car I chose to purchase early this year (before AMSA came out with their 1000cc rules package) is now only legal to run under "Midget Lite" (Montpelier, STORM, IMRA) rules packages. I'm OK with that since I have no intention of running with a wing anyway but it would be nice to know if I can consider running Du Quoin; maybe that would be incentive enough to get out in that cold garage and finish up those last-minute details in advance of MMS's opening night...

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should be modified ILSS rules since its the Archdale Race i think roger told me but i cant remember

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Originally Posted by jjones752:
Speaking strictly for myself...
I would like to see an all-inclusive approach, since the car I chose to purchase early this year (before AMSA came out with their 1000cc rules package) is now only legal to run under "Midget Lite" (Montpelier, STORM, IMRA) rules packages. I'm OK with that since I have no intention of running with a wing anyway but it would be nice to know if I can consider running Du Quoin; maybe that would be incentive enough to get out in that cold garage and finish up those last-minute details in advance of MMS's opening night...

If the went with this approch so all can race it would be standin room only...we would leave the sunshine and bring 3 maybe 4 cars from Florida

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Where can I find this flyer?

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Is anybody going to Duquoin this weekend? I am thinking about it, should be a very good race even without the 1000cc midgets racing there this time. I will probably be hanging around the 37 cars of AJ Felker.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Originally Posted by jjones752:
Speaking strictly for myself...
I would like to see an all-inclusive approach, since the car I chose to purchase early this year (before AMSA came out with their 1000cc rules package) is now only legal to run under "Midget Lite" (Montpelier, STORM, IMRA) rules packages. I'm OK with that since I have no intention of running with a wing anyway but it would be nice to know if I can consider running Du Quoin; maybe that would be incentive enough to get out in that cold garage and finish up those last-minute details in advance of MMS's opening night...

pretty much it should be anything under 1200cc im not positive on this though. basically tulsa rules I believe. no QC rearends or the eco-techs. Like I said in another post look for more info around tulsa the first of the year. I am not 100% on these rules but I will let you know when i find out more.

Originally Posted by Quick Change:
Where can I find this flyer?

The Flyer is over on the tulsa rules page. It has hardly any info other then the dates and 2,000 to win. The dates are not for sure 3 days yet either may be 2 last time I talked to the promotor. I wish we could get more info on this but they just dont want to quite spill all the beans yet

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Originally Posted by DAD:
Is anybody going to Duquoin this weekend? I am thinking about it, should be a very good race even without the 1000cc midgets racing there this time. I will probably be hanging around the 37 cars of AJ Felker.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I wish I was going over, saw the entry list last night and it looks impressive and it wasn't completely updated, should be some great racin'. However from Fort Wayne thats quite a haul.

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Due to it not being a weekly ILSS show, I think it was already predetermined that this was going to be open for any 1200 upright chain drive car. J Jones and Wayne Davis, go ahead and get those cars ready.

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Originally Posted by RickyBobby:
Due to it not being a weekly ILSS show, I think it was already predetermined that this was going to be open for any 1200 upright chain drive car. J Jones and Wayne Davis, go ahead and get those cars ready.

I only have QC cars and down here in Florida. The D-2 Midget rules keep them inline with the stock 1000 on gas...in fact we are looking at opening them up a little to make them more competitive any 2.0 can do anything to the heads and allow cams....Brad Noffzinger has 14 of these focus cars and the most BHP is 158 compared to a stock GSXR at 186 and weight 200lbs less. It does produce more torque with the bigger bore so they are some what competitive but DO NOT have the advantage some lightning sprint racers say they do....This is over a year of racing down here...It all goes back to "SETUP" and the cat setting in the seat when you take the sissy flap off the top....but then most would rather "BUY" their speed instead of the hard work and knowledge it takes to run non wing the wing racing....sorry for being so blunt but that is the facts!!!

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Wow I just did a Google search of Du quoin. That big track is sure big, the mini is located in the building right across from the big track. The big track makes that building sure look really little.

The big question is what do they use the track just a little further west on US 51 for?

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Originally Posted by DAD:
Wow I just did a Google search of Du quoin. That big track is sure big, the mini is located in the building right across from the big track. The big track makes that building sure look really little.

The big question is what do they use the track just a little further west on US 51 for?

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I'm pretty sure that's a gravel trotter track. Like the one in the infield of the Indy Fairgrounds mile.

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I'll be there since I only live 12 miles away!! Weather doesn't look promising though.

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Originally Posted by RoyaltonMiniSprint:
I'll be there since I only live 12 miles away!! Weather doesn't look promising though.

You've already got the forecast for February?:D

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Originally Posted by jjones752:
You've already got the forecast for February?:D

Jonesy

Naw them farmers down in Southern Illinois use that high tec forecasting software service known as the "Farmers Almanac".

I think Roy is probably talking about this weekend's first installment of the "Battle in the Center".
Should be one heck of a race.

I can go to a race like this and stand up the hole time. For some reason I tend to nod off and sleep half way through most of them NASCAR or come to think of it INDY races.

Dave Darland is going to go down and run an ARCA race at Daytona this winter. Sure hope he takes a good book with him to help him pass the time during the race.:3:;):3:

It would sure be GREAT if some of us mini Sprinters could send Dave a little money to help support his efforts. Wanting to emulate Guys like Dave is probably the reason many of us are racing these things today. Think we got expense? You ain't seen nothen until you try to race one of them cars. The tire bill would bust me.:6::6::6::6:


Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Yeah, I know Dad, I'm just bein' cheeky.
I'm planning on going this weekend too if the weather doesn't get TOO bad; at least I just put some new Wranglers on the Sonoma, which will help in the traction department. I went last year for the first time and it was one of the best Midget shows I've ever seen. I lost count of the slide jobs in the heats and the feature, and there were 3 and 4 car fights for position all the way through the field.
The funniest thing was there was a fight on the front straight after the Main and Tony wasn't even involved.

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Yeh

I think Tony being an old man in his dotage might just be mellowing out a tad bit. I went out and charged the batteries up in the old Jitney, just in case he wanted to race, but I don't think he wants any part of me.:31: Guess I'll just have to be satisfied with giving "DEMOS" ever so often.:D

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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I'm not finding the flyer. Anybody have a link? Thanks!

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The volts are in. The only thing we can tell for sure is IOW readers unlike their representatives in DC do not vote on something they have not read yet. The National rules have not been published, I would bet its voters had knowledge of its text and is the reason for their votes.I can also tell that the IOW readers want their rules inclusive to all racers the AMSA rules, ILSS rules changed for their big races and the one vote for run what you brung when added to the Tulsa rules would have represented 60 percent of the voters.

So I guess we could say the vote is still out, we will have to try this when the guys get their rules in print.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Originally Posted by DAD:
The volts are in. The only thing we can tell for sure is IOW readers unlike their representatives in DC do not vote on something they have not read yet. The National rules have not been published, I would bet its voters had knowledge of its text and is the reason for their votes.I can also tell that the IOW readers want their rules inclusive to all racers the AMSA rules, ILSS rules changed for their big races and the one vote for run what you brung when added to the Tulsa rules would have represented 60 percent of the voters.

So I guess we could say the vote is still out, we will have to try this when the guys get their rules in print.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

As far as the "NATIONAL RULES" goes Dad...are they true "NATIONAL RULES" if only a few series in 1 area adapt them while you have series/clubs all around the nation that do not adapt them?

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Originally Posted by DAD:
Wow I just did a Google search of Du quoin. That big track is sure big, the mini is located in the building right across from the big track. The big track makes that building sure look really little.

The big question is what do they use the track just a little further west on US 51 for?

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Yep, as Jones said the smaller track just West of The Mile is a workout track for the trotters. We've been going to the Du Quoin State Fair every year since the early 1990's and have never seen a horse, or anything else ever use it. During the Fair they have a demo derby in the infield of it and 10 or so years ago on Saturday afternoon of Labor Day Weekend several years in a row ARCA had a meet and greet of the drivers with their cars for the fans on it. That was back in the days before they changed the schedule and started running the Silver Crown cars on Sunday. That change was made to accommodate Tony Stewart and Kenny Schrader, etal, so they could run the Du Quoin ARCA race on Labor Day since NASCAR ran on Sunday and those guys came in from Darlington and later on California. After 3 tries Stewart finally beat Frank Kimmel and has never shown up again to drive. He was there one year since he won but only as a car owner and to spot for Josh Richards when Richards drove his car in the ARCA race.

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Originally Posted by Wayne Davis:
As far as the "NATIONAL RULES" goes Dad...are they true "NATIONAL RULES" if only a few series in 1 area adapt them while you have series/clubs all around the nation that do not adapt them?

Wayne

Yep you are right. No mater how we do it the rules are just going to be a little different from local group to local group just because we are all a little different and the while some of us travel nobody is on a national tour yet.

The guys with the best set of rules will always be copied. I kinda of like yours, but then I'm not known for following the herd too much.

I hit a patch of ice walking down from the garage and tore my rotator cuff this morning so I guess you guys are in luck because this pecking hurts like heLL.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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shootout rules and open ILSS rules are basically the same if not identical

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You sure you didn't do it from one of your many wheelstands in that scooter!! Get well maybe hope to see you in Febuary at DuQuoin.

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Closed your poll pretty quick there DAD. Still might end up the same but maybe not after the rules package comes out that was generated in Terre Haute. Let the reps take it to their respective people and let the entire region decide....not just your 25.

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Originally Posted by openwheel44:
Closed your poll pretty quick there DAD. Still might end up the same but maybe not after the rules package comes out that was generated in Terre Haute. Let the reps take it to their respective people and let the entire region decide....not just your 25.

Wasn't my idea Phil I thought it was suppose to go on forever, We can do it again when you all get it wrote up. Kinda of hard to compare when your still is not in print yet, my bad.

Honesty Dad himself:6::6:

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I sorta thought this was an opinion poll on what everybody felt the rules should be for the non-wing show at DuQuoin anyway, not neccessarily a referendum on the proposed "National" rules.
I do agree, though, that it's tough to have an opinion on something that hasn't been made public yet; not that it's stopped anybody on this site before... ;)

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Link to the flyer? Anyone? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Copperhead:
Link to the flyer? Anyone? Thanks.

https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/sho...t=73570&page=7

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Originally Posted by jjones752:
I sorta thought this was an opinion poll on what everybody felt the rules should be for the non-wing show at DuQuoin anyway, not neccessarily a referendum on the proposed "National" rules.
I do agree, though, that it's tough to have an opinion on something that hasn't been made public yet; not that it's stopped anybody on this site before... ;)

might as well get use to hearing about these guys bringing the national rules into every topic about mini sprints. They cant seem to let things go lol

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guess we worn out the this thread... just pick a rule set and lets run. still not posted on the web page at du quoinn

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That is really unfortunate as i was restless to catch up with the show but now the news coming with not of happening anything i am highly disappointing.

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Originally Posted by joeyorav:
That is really unfortunate as i was restless to catch up with the show but now the news coming with not of happening anything i am highly disappointing.

JOEY

What would that car in your avatar be called anyhow?

My body has a deaf ear.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Is this race not happening?

Yes is this race still on and how many days is it??????

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Originally Posted by jcracing96:
Yes is this race still on and how many days is it??????

Vanished off of the internet "puff" just out there in cyber space somewhere. Guess we have to go 10,000 to Australia to race.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Why doesn't somebody try calling this number? I would but I'm at work and risking everything just lurking on here...;)

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Originally Posted by jjones752:
Why doesn't somebody try calling this number? I would but I'm at work and risking everything just lurking on here...;)

That phone number is for the bunch that race Karts at the center, I left a call back number. Looks like PowerI made other plans?

Honest Dad himself:6::6: