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Went there last night to start with they ran 20 cars in each hot lap session the flag man is gonna get somebody hurt guy was stopped on the middle of the corner took him two laps two throw yellow no sink in the bath room and takes two hours to get paid after race is over.And the ambulance can't even leave the property no license plate so it waits out by the road for a real ambulance which takes atleast a 1/2 hr.
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Flagman has been like that for years. People have been complaining about it forever. Nothing will change until its to late, sorry to say.The only hope is drivers boycott until new flagman is found.
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Sorry to hear about your bad luck and real sorry that it took 30 min to pick you up praying for your speedy recovery.
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You're just now figuring this out?
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I have a couple of issues I would like to bring up. Two weeks ago I was sent to the tail for going inside the cone on restart. I did so only to avoid wreck. Then it was mentioned in drivers meeting if any one hits cone or goes inside it on next yellow they go to tail or scored on tail if race ends under green. After last caution the green and white were displayed together and the white 8 car punted the cone into the infield and I was told no official seen it??? The 8 car got to keep his position but I didnt last week? Next issue- there is no way the flag men should have started the first hot lap session. One lap before green was thrown front stretch was so wet that I could idle through it with my wheels turned all the way either way with car continuing straight. Then a car got upside down on front stretch. Flag man needs to wake up!!! I know I was trying to wave at flagman to tell him track not ready. Next issue- how does a guy that missed the draw start on the pole of the first heat race? #11 car?? To Keith I have a lot of respect for you and your track. You provide for the most part a smooth surface and a place for locals to compete and you have always been reasonable with me. and pit stewart that took Jim thomas' place, I cant remember your name right now sorry, I really appreciate the job you are doing this year. This job is a hard one to keep people happy, but I think you are doing a pretty damn good job relating with the drivers and I appreciate that. But these previously mentioned issues need to be looked at and something is gonna have to be done about the flagman before someone gets hurt. A lot of times us drivers are slowing down because we see a car spin before yellow is ever thrown. Please Keith take this as constructive critisism because there is a lot of things about Paragon that I do love and thats why I continue to come every week. But when cars are tore up in hot lap because the track wasnt ready and cautions are coming out way too late, that is a risk you can minimize and risks need minimized any where they can be. Thank you
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Originally Posted by cubs21: I have been to many tracks where the ambulance on site can not leave the premises. It is not uncommon to have one ambulance meet another one. However in every case that I have seen it was a fully staffed ambulance, and it was a case of the track only paying fot it to be on site. I have never heard of a track ambulance. Posted via Mobile Device |
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I can only speak about Michigan, but I gotta believe other states are similar. The state licenses vehicles as ambulances at certain levels based on equipment, capabilities, and staffing. There are lots of other things that go into it, like permission to work within a geographical area, etc. In Michigan, no track ambulance is licensed (that I know of anyways). It is virtually impossible for a track ambulance to become llicensed. The tracks often have a vehicle that says "ambulance" on it or resembles one, but is not licensed as such and has no regulations as far as equipment it must have or minimum staffing/licensing. It looks good to the racers and the fans and the insurance company, but looking good is about the extent. Some are very well equipped and staffed with knowledgable and skilled providers, and some have virtually nothing and staffed with people who have no emergency medical training whatsoever. The best thing tracks can do is to contract with their local Advanced Life Support ambulance service, which will be staffed with paramedics, to eb on site. That way state regulations are all in place. Spend a few minutes with the crew to go over the cars with them, the belt systems, HANS devices, etc, and have a safe night. A couple do do this, but most of the time, expect nothing from the track ambulance. Sadly.
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I agree with several of the comments. The track was not ready to Hot Lap on, there were way too many cars out there in one session too! You have 38 Sprint Cars, why would you only split them into 2 groups instead of 4? Actually the bottom was still greasy in turn 4, even in the 3rd Heat Race, which I was in. Please split the cars up into more Hot Lap groups and make sure the flagman asks the drivers if the track is ready to stand on it!
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Originally Posted by treecitytornado: Unfortunately, the flagman doesn't understand the term "stand on it". He is too busy sitting on his stool.:3: |
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I haven;t been to Paragon for a couple of years so haven;t seen this flagman Is he sitting down cuz he is disabled or just to lazy to stand?
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Mansfield speedway had one of those "speedway ambulances" (I believe it was under whoever ran it last before it was paved) that thing was so small that if they put a stretcher in it, the injured dudes feet woulda been hanging out the back (all I can figure is that the stretcher must have been pushed in to the point that the injured drivers head was right next the ambulance driver?
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Mr. and Mrs. Ford provide a venue for low budget and beginners to race. You learn to race in traffic and to be aware of your surrounding competitors at all times. When your talent level exceeds what is presented at this level, there are other tracks that might interest you more. The Ford`s are good people who are fair. You will get the same track ,flagman ,wrecker man , scorekeeper`s as everyone else who signs into said program. The purse structure is the same every week so there is no surprises there. As like in all other issues in life that humans are in charge of deciding, sometimes it won`t go your way. The ambulance and safety crew is there for your inspection. If you don`t feel these services are adequate , then that should be your basis to compete at this track or any other for that matter.
This is just my opinion derived from the years we have competed there. Paragon is unique to itself and albeit through all it`s alleged shortcomings from this post, the bottom line is you went there to have fun. You have picked a sport in which you must have a dirt surface shaped with turn arounds at each end to operate your equipment. Paragon provides this and 100 dollars if you complete enough laps in your feature to get scored as a competitor. So please from now on guys , before you bash the Ford`s on a medium that is readily available world wide, remember they aren`t on here bashing what makes your living. |
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It is for sale don't like it buy it and and run the program the way you see fit. I myself am a budget racer if it were not for paragon I would not be able to run a sprint car. I feel that alot of guys that run there on a weekly basis feel the same. Thank you Keith and Judy from all that appreciate what you do.
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Have to agree with dan ran there for years and no problems with ambulance crew or fire crew would do it again also they have almost always put that many cars to hot lap think he does that so no one trys to win them lol.still a nice place to race
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I don't believe anyone was bashing the Fords! Keith and Judy are nice people! There are just some safety concerns that need addressed and then everything would be just fine.
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I was just going by the title of the post J.T. When it is implied that your business is a joke , this context is telling me that the poster is directing their ire toward the party who is responsible for it`s operation.
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I understand what you mean, Dan.
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Huggy pole, no fun racing, on a slick surface that wears all the tires out in one race.
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Very well said Dan. If you do not like the place just don't race there. No need in trash talking it. Look at the car counts, there's a place for it.
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Originally Posted by welder: I have won the last two features on the same rr tire. And that was the 3rd and 4th nights on it consecutively. Just my .02. Posted via Mobile Device |
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Alan Barr probably won more races on the bottom, than any driver who ever raced there, he was the master at it, "Boom Boom" Cannon was up hi in the dry, and Alan was just puttin around the bottom, that's been a few years ago, right Dan? I helped some on the car Alan drove, pretty nice car in the period, lot's of beer during the week to get it ready again! Bob
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