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Detergents of some sort are fairly common additive to water trucks... It's effectiveness is still heavily dependent on the clay content though.

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Originally Posted by koolaid89:
Detergents of some sort are fairly common additive to water trucks... It's effectiveness is still heavily dependent on the clay content though.

I used a product called Sulfonic N-95 with my water and it worked fantastic.

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I prefer Jack Daniels in my water!

steiny
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Being slightly smarter than the dirt you have to work with will help a lot also, in other words, you have to know dirt, and it doesn't come from books, it comes from experience, and hard work. Bob

Wow that's deep! Tq29

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Where do you buy 20 mule team borax? I have looked around here and cannot find it.

Sprntr. Why would you want to ruin jack with water?????

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Originally Posted by MacTexas:
Where do you buy 20 mule team borax? I have looked around here and cannot find it.

I know Walmart has Borox, I'm pretty sure it's that brand

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Im sure this product will produce better results. :D

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Originally Posted by Bill Gardner:
Im sure this product will produce better results. :D

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Bill it says color stays So the dirt will stay brown? ;)

horse manure/ gotsta keep it fertile folks

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Originally Posted by koolaid89:
Detergents of some sort are fairly common additive to water trucks... It's effectiveness is still heavily dependent on the clay content though.

Back in "DAYS OF OLD" way before "tree-huggers" and the "EPA" they used this stuff called Calcium Chloride. It would get into the dirt and when combined with water would hold the dirt together and keep the dust down also. Most county and state road crews used it all the time on them old roads they used to build.

But for people who like to B1tch about dirt track racing conditions I would suggest paved race tracks, although some do tend to dig up and rut up when the temp rises also. Perhaps we need inclosed dirt race tracks with A/C. and a constant temp and humidity.

Give it a break people it's only dirt, and "GOD" not the "EPA" and surely not track promoter makes the weather conditions.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Good you tube on the Dunkin family preparing the Knoxville race track.

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Originally Posted by cecil98:
I used a product called Sulfonic N-95 with my water and it worked fantastic.

I remember that stuff... My eyes would burn until about Tuesday. It kept the moisture in though.

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Originally Posted by HurstBros0:
I remember that stuff... My eyes would burn until about Tuesday. It kept the moisture in though.

it was basically a 55 gallon drum of "dish detergent". Didn't have a speck of dust for the 3 years I had the track, and, with the exception of the first time I graded the track myself (thank you to Jr. Smalley & Alan Barr for helping me out of that!), we never had any track prep after hot laps.....

Cecil98, what track did u have?
and what ever happened to Alan Bar?

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Making an effort is also a prep secret.

Alan is still doing well. He lives in Cicero Indiana and you'll see him at the race track occasionally. He is doing well.

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Originally Posted by DAD:
Back in "DAYS OF OLD" way before "tree-huggers" and the "EPA" they used this stuff called Calcium Chloride. It would get into the dirt and when combined with water would hold the dirt together and keep the dust down also. Most county and state road crews used it all the time on them old roads they used to build.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I have seen calcium cchloride used in the last year. Tree huggers and EPA are not to blame, it is very expensive, so it is not cost effective. It is also very corrosive to equiptment. Not very user friendly. Might try some research. Just being honest.

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Not saying it wasn't used in track prep, But I seen videos of them adding Calcium Chloride powder to already dusty tracks. It tended to bond with the dust and sand particles and reduce dust,

No its not banned yet, Its used in road salt. However some localities do ban it due to water supply and aquifer.

Corrosive? Uh yeah, I had to replace every fuel and brake line on my car.

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Believe it or not i have seen cheese packages with calcium chloride as an ingredient. Does that mean i should bring some next time. :5: All our equipment is stainless steel so the corrosive part doesn't apply but what does it do to our stomach's? :24:

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Who knows Tim, I've seen Hot Sauce eat holes in concrete and I know there's some serious wing eaters out there.

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Lindy viccari used lestol for years

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According to the EPA, Calcium Chloride does not bind soil particles together. It does draw moisture out of the air. It is corrosive to the equipment used to apply it, but after it is integrated into the soil, it's corrosiveness is greatly reduced.
Detergent works by reducing the surface tension of water, making it easier to soak in to the dirt rather than running off.

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
I have seen calcium cchloride used in the last year. Tree huggers and EPA are not to blame, it is very expensive, so it is not cost effective. It is also very corrosive to equiptment. Not very user friendly. Might try some research. Just being honest.

calcium is still being used and yes, it is very expensive and corrosive. it will take the chrome plating off steel after just one wet hot lap session. this is also one reason why a lot of states have gone to "brine" rather than "salt" when it ices up or snows. perhaps a "brine" solution in the water could help keep the tracks tacky, dust free and without a lot of ruts and holes????????????

when wayne county speedway was called buckeye speedway, its owner don gross also owned a cheese making facility, so they used the whey from the cheese to water the track/ its smelled a bit cheesy but it sort'a covered up the stench from the pig farm down yonder and the racing was steller

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Originally Posted by c47:
calcium is still being used and yes, it is very expensive and corrosive. it will take the chrome plating off steel after just one wet hot lap session. this is also one reason why a lot of states have gone to "brine" rather than "salt" when it ices up or snows. perhaps a "brine" solution in the water could help keep the tracks tacky, dust free and without a lot of ruts and holes????????????

I'm not sure here but isn't brine almost the same as salt? Being in the cheese business brine water is salty as hell where i live?

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Look, Johnny's like button worked!

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Originally Posted by Motormasher:
Cecil98, what track did u have?
and what ever happened to Alan Bar?

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Motormasher, I had Lawrenceburg Speedway for 3 seasons from 1980 thru 1982....

GEE TIM, YA SUPPOSE THEY USED IT FOR THE SALT AS WELL AS THE SMELL DO YA?

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I read in an old Open Wheel that a track somewhere in the Midwest years ago (20's -30's?) used juice from a nearby factory that made sauerkraut.

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For all the oldtimers, if you remember seeing tires with greenish/gray sidewalls on cars or tire racks - that was the result of calcium chloride.

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
I have seen calcium cchloride used in the last year. Tree huggers and EPA are not to blame, it is very expensive, so it is not cost effective. It is also very corrosive to equiptment. Not very user friendly. Might try some research. Just being honest.

Best I can remember Gasoline was not too expensive before the "EPA" either and neither was calcium chloride.

I think it has something to do with what the "EPA" makes that make the cost of things go up. I think they call it "regulations", tons and tons of regulations.

Honest Dad himself:6::6: