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It has come to my attention that this past saturday evening. That my webmaster was getting some grief about live@thetrack. He was following company orders straight from the owner if anyone has a problem take it up with me he was doing what I asked. We do live as a courtesy I have been thinking for the last two days about pulling the PLUG on the live feature. Then I thought better of it because one bad apple doesnt ruin a bushel. We do live as a courtesy as with everything else in life it doesnt always happen the way you would like. When at the tracks we abide by race track asks of us.



Again if anyone has a problem with what said or done find me at the racetrack and we will talk about it.

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Wonder why no one's bashing Helfrich for stopping the live updates?

Guess if it was USAC doing it, there would be a 12 page thread already.

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IMO, the Helfrichs are completely within their rights to ask that a web-site refrain from doing live updates during racing action. In fact, I'm surprised more tracks haven't asked this as well. Yes, there will always be people who will go to the track and text message results to their buddies to be posted on IOW and I also appreciate this when I can't make it to a track. However, if I was a track owner and the only way I was able to support these sanctioning bodies and special shows was with fans in the stands I sure wouldn't appreciate someone coming in and making it that much easier for those fans to choose to stay home rather than coming out to the track.

Yes, there will always be people that can't make it to a race and want to know what's going on, but does it really hurt them to find out after the show has been completed rather than live?

We are in a down economy right now, drivers are being more selective about which shows to attend and fans are as well. I don't blame a business owner one bit for not wanting to encourage someone to skip my show so they can go somewhere else and spend their money knowing they'll just be able to get the live updates from my track on-line. And yes, some people will do that.

And if you don't think 5% is significant, try owning a business and taking a 5% loss in sales and then tell me it's not significant - especially when that business supports your family. It's not just ticket sales either, it's concessions, and promotional materials.

Instead of reacting like a fan I think you need to think of this like a business person. I like the live updates also, but there have been shows that I could have made it to but chose to stay home instead and catch the updates because it was more convenient.

Again, just my opinion....

Gary Smith

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Maybe if you didn't have sponsors paying you to do them and didn't get free track creds things would be different.

Everyday you promote your website on IOW, who had 13 million clicks in May, to draw people over to your site where you don't even have a IOW logo on your page, yes a link hidden away. IOW has had no problem with people providing updates for many years. T2D has been up for maybe a year and has problems, Why? If your going to use IOW to get people at least post updates on OW too.
You don't need to be up with the officals and why not even top 5 from poweri in Ky the other night?

Fans do stay home nowdays because they know they will get updates and the cost of fuel and maybe rain.

So cry into your own towel when you get denied track creds for free. I don't think IOW is on any track list.

Their is a reason many tracks don't accept websites as a real media worthy of a cred.


John Laux
Las Nutz, Tx

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Can anyone that gives some updates and takes some pics get in free? They ask for people to give them money on their website because it cost so much for them to go to races.....when they get in free? you guys can't afford just the gas only to get there? oh and don't start with the excuse that it costs so much for the domain, etc.....you are saving plenty by getting into the races free. i think any fan that uses their hard earned dollars would think the same.....I have text and camera so I will hit up the tracks to see if i can get the cred's too......it was said best yesterday in another IOW post...

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If a track lets you get in for free you should obey there rules.....its called RESPECT people.:doh:

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Jeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz this crap is so stupid

keep up the good work don and kyle

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coachmeece
I think you need to re-read this post, it makes some pretty good sense about using IOW and a couple of other points as well.

davex
Let's see, charge for advertising, get in free, promote your site on someone else's site and then whine about how much it costs to get there?
If I was a promoter, you'd be paying your way in next week, and if I owned IOW, you would pay to promote your site on mine.

The old you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours............looks to me like your back is the only one getting any scratchin'!

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I hope this don't get to deep I Like going and taking pictures for fun I will share them with anyone who ask its a hobby I don't ask to get in free at the races just the chance to take pictures but if this gets out of hand the tracks may start only letting a few people take pictures which would be a no win deal for either side :headbang:headbang

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from what i understand this has nothing to do with taking pictures....its about live updates......:doh:

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yes but one thing could lead to another if the promoters get pissed about someone doing updates and try to stop that next thing you know they will stop Still Cameras and Video Cameras other the the ones that work for the track or get special permission from the track.

I understand the thread is about useing this site and free access to the track to blow your own horn and not give credit to this site.

I just don't want to see it get blew out and hurt everyone else

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:action-smiley-049:

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I never asked to get in free, or a press pass. This 50 car of the Gasmans, first year. I like the hat, it's white just out of the box! A simple man. Claytonyeley is one of mine to! The best shot is JJ @ THAT which Smokeyeley uses! I have thousand private shots! The hardest shot is to not get a press pass person in it. The thing that burns me up, is how in the world is the person on the phone, going to know what happened to driver if he pulles in? :headbang
I miss Marty!
Joe:checkered:

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:action-smiley-049:

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what strikes me as funny is when Kyle & Don started thier site everybody loved them untill Don makes the mistake of being honest about getting in free (of which is between Don,Kyle & the Local Track No one else) then as Sharks smell blood people attack and rip them apart.

1.IF they are guest of the track then they should do as asked

2.as for them using this site to promote there web site this is a message board for people to post info to say they should not do that then no one else should put info about driver sites,Races, etc etc which would be silly

just my 2 cents but what the H--L do I know

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Good post agar thats all what i was thinking

go kyle and done keep working hard at everything ur doing

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I was not going to comment on this thread, but I felt I needed to make a point. I was nuetral until Don got on here and whined about how tough it is to go to 2 races a weekend without credentials. I was standing with 3 fans before Kokomo last night who went to 3 races last weekend and didn't get into a single one free. Tell me who contributed more to this sport.

I also thought it was ironic that racefan 20 was capable of getting updates without anyone getting a credential or acess to the scorers. I feel that made someone jealous, since some people make a huge deal about themselves.

By the way for the first time since 1983 I am having to pick and choose more than ever due to high fuel and health insurance costs,which is why I wasn't at Haubstadt. I will be there Sprintweek. But I still went to 2 races and my girlfriend and I both paid to get in.

Good luck with your website, see you at the races.

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1) I didn't think Don got on here whining. I know how passionate he is and wanted to update us. I got the impression that he wished he didn't have to use the credentials to get in. So that he could do his Live at the track.

2) This site is the best site on the net (IMHO) that being said I think that if the powers that be had a problem with Kyle & Don they would let them know.

3)Talk2drivers is also a very good website as well and I really appreciate what these 2 guys do. I don't see them as competition to IOW

As a fan of open wheel racing I use both sites for my racing fix and Wish both the best of luck.

Mike

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I think that there is some merit to some of the posts on both sides. However, can someone help me understand how sites which provide information about sprint car racing, be it results, interviews, pictures or whatever, are hurting sprint car racing? The fact that our fan base is shrinking and aging has been pointed out in numerous articles and editorials in sprint car magazines for years. Doesn't more publicity help? I can't image not going to a race because I know that there are going to be live updates. IMHO, there is absolutely no comparison between sitting in front of a computer and experiencing the excitement, the noise, the aromas, the people, the whole atmosphere of a race. I realize that the economy is bad and car counts are down, attendance is down. I'm not sure that I am willing to accept that lower attendance is caused by updates rather than the economy and this cursed weather we have been having this year. It seems to me in times like this everyone who loves sprint car racing needs to find a way to work together to help the sport.

Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Frank Daigh

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I got the honor of siting to this guy at Haubstadt Saturday, we only spoke a few times but I knew I was sitting next to one of the greatest fans of this sport, he didnt say much but when he spoke I made sure I shut up and listened.

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I think racefan 20 and when spridge and head do it it's a lot beter anyway. These guys think their rockstars.

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Then you do updates you ungreatful :censor:

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I have many time you tool!!!!! Somebody has to text the updates to the people wo put them on here so shut the f up!

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Be thankful that anybody does updates.

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For a die-hard fan you are correct, there is nothing better than being there in person. But for a fan that lives a few hours away, is on a budget and there might be weather threatening a race live updates can mean the difference between them going or staying home and this is what hurts a track owner. Especially when it's been advertised on a message board such as this all week long that a web-site will have updates live and all i have to do is sit back and click, click, click my way to the checkered flag. If I were a track owner this would make me nervous and I wouldn't want a site giving my fans a reason to stay home and catch the race on the net.

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Thats it, they do it for the fame, at first I thought it was all the money they were making, man was I wrong.:doh: I wish I would have thought of doing live updates, just think of how rich they are now, there is no way they went through all that trouble just for the love of the sport. I heard Kyle is building a beach front home in Hawaii and Don is looking to buy out TSR. I realize now that most of you folks that refuse to sign your name are doing your mothers a favor, you guys should all be on Jay-Walking. What a bunch of dumbasses.:loser: Fire away idiots!

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:applaud::applaud::applaud::applaud:

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How does this sport get popular or addictive to fans?? by people getting to know the participants. Ever go to a hockey game or baseball game where you didn't know who was who and what was what?

TTD.com certainly helps peole get to know all of this. The tracks they run at and I think updates give people a idea who to watch for when they actually do get to attend.

I'll agree Haubstadt has ever right to do whatever they want in the interest of buissness but I think they would give more fans the incentive to visit in the future than encourage people not to go. Like I said in another post. Sometimes you just can't make it and if it wasn't for people telling me about the AWESOME HAUBSTADT and the RACING THAT GOES ON THERE. I probably wouldn't have made my one and only visit to the 5hour away track that after visiting have no problem telling people they've got to see it to believe it.

Good PR gets you more fans. I think TTD.com is good PR and the Updates don't hurt the attendance at all.

Chuck

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:redflag:

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that is exactly what i was thinkin funk. :thumb

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One hundred and forty five dollars to get in (five and a transponder) ten gallons of fuel, five laps, destroyed race car, driver with a slight headache, not one penny at the payoff line. And we Josh and others are the ones putting on the show. I would just like for our driver to get a pass at the gate. By the way Spencer Racing is one crash away from going out of business. :headbang

I am in no way putting anyone down just stating what it takes to put on a show.

Jerry #66j
www.joshspencer.com

Wow Jerry it looked like a little tip over did it get into the frame?

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This team is one of the best teams there is out there people!!! I would hate to see them go out of business. When you read this post, it sure puts things into perspective. I have stayed out of this thread because I have been irritated at t2d for quite sometime. They always come on here and push their site constantly wanting people to go over there. Some people just want to be on IOW. Yes I have gone to their site and brought results from there to here when I was asked to do so. I just think they are very pushy and sometimes rude. Now I find out they get into races FREE, they have sponsors on their website and they are complaining!!! I wish we could have gotten in free to the races. As Jerry posted it is very costly for a driver and they are the one putting on the show. All t2d are doing is typing stuff into a computer and they are complaining. I just think there is something wrong with this picture.

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This is the exact rub that got under everyones skin that has been complaining. I am not saying T2D is not a great thing. But do they deserve to get in free when the drivers and teams that put on the show are paying their way in AND the bills?

I think NOT! And I am really not sure as to what makes them think they should get in free?

Good luck to the Spencer's and T2D, but if the drivers and fans are paying to get in, YOU GUYS SHOULD TOO!

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Okay here is something you all can think about. Race tracks probably give 5 or so free (probably more) passes to people like photogs, reporters, etc... Make those people pay to get in the track and then with that money hold it until the end of the evening. Offer that money to teams that stay the latest at the track each night! This way the folks like the Spencers that hang out interacting with the fans might get one of their pit passes paid back to them. Maybe this would give incentive to teams to hang out. They can battle each other to leave last!!

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The great ideas that come off this board often go overlooked by all the apearance of negativity.

Good Idea Jake. Photogrophers are making a free living of this. Of course they have their expenses but if TTD.com has to pay. shouldn't they? In any case it's a wash and may help both some teams and fans to get to know them better. I don't know that full pit price is necessary either to press but Half?????

Jigs (Gas City) lets everyone who purchases a one dollar 50-50 ticket in the pits till 6pm as well then lets sprint fans in the sprint pit after the sprint feature is over. Mods after the mods and other classes as they finish. the 50-50 sales aren't really a profit for anyone but does help loyal teams in year end point payouts.

Chuck

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The frame is fine, it got the bolt ons, rear end, wheels and shocks. The last two Fridays at Gas City we have went thru four front shocks and front end parts, now we have started on rear end parts and wheels. We as most teams knew going into this year that things would be tight, the bigger teams are in the same boat just some of us got behind a little faster. We are lucky to have Mark and his brother Scott as U.S.A.C. car owners as at least Josh will be able to run the U.S.A.C. shows. We are also lucky to have good friends as well as some sponsors that have got us this far. The sad thing is we lost three teams this weekend that I know of, Heavy D / Matthews, Mark Arnold, and Jason Holt. The little tip overs sometime are the ones that tear up the most as it was such a violent stop. I am not crying or complaining as we knew the day may come that we would have to pick what we were going to do. Josh, Sarah, Paul and I are putting all of our bent up stuff in the back of the truck and heading for the scrap yard so we can run Friday night at Gas City. Again I am in know way complaining, we have our health some good friends and so far today it has not rained one drop. :rolling

Jerry #66j
www.joshspencer.com

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Did not know this about the Gas & I've been going for years! Now I may just have to partake in the 50/50 drawing to get in the pits after the sprint feature. I thought the pits were closed until all classes are complete. Very good to know this! They should announce this though so they will get more takers for their 50/50!

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I din't know it either. Learn sumpin new everday.

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Well I don't know it for a fact that they let people in after the races. But thats what they did for me last year at Midget week. The midget featch was run first. They worked the track before the sprint featch and I walked to the pit gate and asked if we were allowed back. He said where ya going? I said sprint cars. He said ok, just don't enter the mod area.

Chuck, saying the 50/50 one was told to me by Dwight and I apreciated it. from 5-6pm you can buy at 50-50 at the pit gate and enter until six.